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Another wet/dry

Posted: Friday, October 5, 2012 4:16 pm

Here we go again. A wet/dry election will be held in Boaz with money being the same old reason for voting wet.

Yes, Boaz will receive an increase in tax money if the drug alcohol is legalized. How ever, consideration should be given to the amount of money spent to get the tax revenue. Based on a receipt of 4 percent of sales tax revenue, $1.2 million would have to be spent annually to receive $48,000 in tax revenue.

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  • boaz resident posted at 11:25 am on Thu, Oct 18, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    LOL, thanks Truth, yep, that pretty much sums it up.

    slbrock59 -- I know, my apologies, we did kind of get off in a different direction with this. I was simply trying to point out the mentality back then vs. the mentality now, some things have change a lot, some things will never change. In that case, however, there was no drinking involved, and it was definitely no where near a fresh beer, in fact, days and possibly a couple weeks old, and not even mine. The mentality back then didn't care and did not want to hear it, they only saw an opportunity for me to make a contribution, as Truth explained. LOL. So, what I was taken in for, was a technicality, as you mentioned. That is still on my record to this day, too, 17 years later...

     
  • Truthurts posted at 1:14 am on Tue, Oct 16, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    @ boaz resident posted at 11:49 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    Took me in for open container. Never had to bail out, they let me out an hour later, no booking me in or anything. I did, however, have to pay 100 to get my truck out which got damaged, naturally, and go to court to have a nice conversation with the elderly judge who gave me some good recipes on how to cook with beer, then proceeded to fine me something like 400. It was just a money thing, nothing else.

    Someone has got to pay for the suv/interceptor cars, riot gear, pepper spray, tazers, attack dogs, guns (you know the things they provide you services with), bullet proof vest and not so nice accomodations. If accused of something and you dont just simply pay early by sending in a payment for a "contribution", your not so popular. Then you get to visit whats known as an extorsion room. There you try and fight the accusation to keep from having to contribute to the general fund. Very rarely do you win and walk out with wallet intact. The head man acted like he had better things to do than listen to you. So you had a brief conversation. If the contribution is very large, like a bank, they will let you make payments but you can't have them deferred. Of course things can get really nasty if you skip a contribution date. Since the head man in charge has not heard from you so you can contribute to the general fund, he or she sends those with suv/interceptor cars, riot gear, guns ( those things that they provide you services with) and possibly an attack dog to see you at work ( you know the place you are busting you rear at to bankroll so you possibly have funds to contribute when you are accused). After a brief rough, cuff, possible bite and stuff in a suv or interceptor car, your back on your way to the hide out where you are "protected". At this point you are gonna either pay with tacked on "mandatory contributions" or stay and sometimes both. Sometimes washing suv/cars with lightbars and picking up trash can get you an early ticket out of the "hide out". But be warned that this does not reliquish you from "cleaning up" remaining unpaid contributions this should be done ASAP.

    Hope this clarifies basically how the system works.

     
  • slbrock59 posted at 9:25 am on Mon, Oct 15, 2012.

    slbrock59 Posts: 15

    Boaz resident, you are describing a totally different siruation. Those driving around drinking deserve to be arrested. The scenario I described would not be a crime in a wet jurisdiction.
    Tom Cryar- well said sir ![thumbup]

     
  • Truthurts posted at 10:30 pm on Sat, Oct 13, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    @ tomcryar posted at 10:27 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    This is a kodak moment for you. You have done well on this particular comment and i am going to give kudos where it belongs and thats with you! I couldn't agree more with your comment. [thumbup]

     
  • tomcryar posted at 10:27 pm on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    So, Mr. Nunn is saying that if alcohol sales were allowed, it will make everyone a drunkard? It's the time-old situation which says that the "evils" should not outweigh the comfort, or the right of the few. But who is to say what is the evil, and what is the betternment of the many? Those who choose to drink, will always find a way to do so, those who collect taxes on those who choose, will probably see more money in their coffers, if those whom are elected, do it correctly.

     
  • boaz resident posted at 11:49 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    John, you are right, and I agree, it didn't matter where you had it back then. Of course back then as long as you didn't have someone that I like to refer to as "badge heavy", most likely they would just make you pour it out and throw it away, or confiscate it so they had something to drink when their shift ended. I remember being arrested way back then, a surprise road block on a dirt road in Crossville, I was working 16 hours a day at that time, and since I don't litter, the passenger side of my vehicle was piled up with garbage -- food bags and empty soda cans and such. They asked if they could search, sure, no problem. Underneath all of the garbage, they found an open beer can that belong to someone I gave a ride to once, no telling how old it was, with just barely a mouthful of backwash in the bottom. Took me in for open container. Never had to bail out, they let me out an hour later, no booking me in or anything. I did, however, have to pay 100 to get my truck out which got damaged, naturally, and go to court to have a nice conversation with the elderly judge who gave me some good recipes on how to cook with beer, then proceeded to fine me something like 400. It was just a money thing, nothing else.

    Now you get 2 years probation, suspended sentence, mega-fines, and lots of additional fees from testing every time your color comes up, "monitoring" fees, Probation fees if you can't pay your fine all at once, etc.., even if you just had a .08 level, which is ONE beer for most people's metabolism. Don't get me wrong, most people I see out here can't drive well when completely sober, let alone drunk, and some of them really deserve that much trouble to go through in order to be an example of what not to do. But a lot of it is just over the top so everyone involved can make a dime or two off of you. I do agree with 1st timer, too, just obey the law and it's all good, no matter how silly it might seem, it's still a law, it's getting to where most people just can't afford to break any laws...LOL

     
  • John Thompson posted at 7:16 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Boaz, if you can remember back then though, it did not matter where you had it, the charge was the same, whether it was open between your legs while driving down the road or where you thought it was well hidden under the hood, yes the hood, not in your trunk, of your car.
    No search warrants were needed.
    Heck, they would have had beer sniffing dogs back then if anyone would have been smart enough to train them.

     
  • boaz resident posted at 1:29 am on Wed, Oct 10, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    The only reason i would say it isn't silly, is because living here for years and years, being part of the generation of original boaz cruisers, etc., most people back then would go buy some beer, then parade around with it in the front seat, usually one open between their legs when they stop to say hi. I don't know how many still do that, maybe it is a bit overboard nowadays, but that's why it started, because if you can't reach it, you can't drink it while you're driving. My theory, anyway....

     
  • John Thompson posted at 6:26 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Good afternoon First.
    I haven't heard from you in a while.

     
  • FirstTimer posted at 3:47 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    FirstTimer Posts: 134

    Just obey the law and there isn't a problem. Not silly at all.

     
  • slbrock59 posted at 2:51 pm on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    slbrock59 Posts: 15

    Boaz resident, yes you are correct. But if it is anywhere in the passenger compartment, even if unopened, it is a violation. So someone stops and picks up a six pack on the way home and puts it in the back seat. They get pulled over for some reason and get a ride to jail over a technicality. It's always seemed silly to me.

     
  • John Thompson posted at 11:43 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    No problem Boaz, we understood what you were saying.
    I'm always leaving out a single letter that could change the whole meaning of the phrase.

     
  • boaz resident posted at 10:43 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    *it could be*, not *I could be*, maybe a little Freudian slip, there...LOL

     
  • boaz resident posted at 10:35 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    Keep in mind that this is a public forum. What does that mean? It means that the entire world, yes world, can access and read all the petty, misinformed, sometimes nonsense comments you tend to see on here. I only bring that up, because it ALSO means that any company you're wanting to bring to any city, A'ville, Boaz, etc., can read all these comments. Personally, If I were a CEO wanting to relocate my business, I would shy away from these areas simply because of the way people act. Everyone seems to be an expert on everything anymore. From Religion, to Beer, to apparently speaking for businesses all over, some of you appear to have all the knowledge. So tell us, what does it take to make a great city? I've lived in quite a few states in this country, and many different cities, from small towns to metropolis'. One thing I can definitely say from experience, is that this is the only place that seems to not be able to let go of certain things, even adapted hatred into their beliefs whether they realize it or not, and that, fellow readers, is what really kills an area.

    I would like to add a small correction to slbrock59's post, it isn't illegal now to transport alcohol through the city. If I read the law correctly, as long as that alcohol is A. in your trunk, or B. as far back in the vehicle that it is physically out of reach of the driver, and in either case all containers are sealed, then you are allowed to transport it through the city. Everything else seems to be right.

    As far as A'ville's antiquated alcohol law goes, read the police blotter every time a new one is posted for them. You'll see that the majority, EVERY time, are arrested for dui and/or public intoxication. Remember, it only takes one beer or one shot of whiskey in less than one hour's time, for you to be "legally" drunk. They know it and look for it. Quite a few dollars are coming into the city just from arrests. But on the other side, it sends out a message to bar owners and some restaurants that their customers will be watched and harassed if they come and drink there. So with that law in place, and the police force's "plan of action" that concentrates on watching places that serve alcohol for customers leaving so they can be pulled over, as well as sitting at the Guntersville line for people leaving Sandy's, Applebee's, or Fillie's at the end of the night, people go out of their way to avoid albertville all together anymore. No one knows how the local government will handle their new avenue to improvement until it happens. Till then it's only speculation. I could be a blessing in disguise for this borderline ghost town. It could end up being just like that of A'ville, which will result in nothing, really. Banning it all together will only make sure that nothing gets a chance.

     
  • John Thompson posted at 9:58 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Proud, some Christians in Northern Ireland even today kill other Christians simply because they are a different sect of Christian than they are.
    Should Northern Ireland ban all Christianity?
    In the middle east there is murder occurring every day in the name of religious beliefs.
    Should we ban religion world wide?
    Just because someone does not handle the consumption of alcohol as well as others does not mean it should be banned for all.

     
  • slbrock59 posted at 8:54 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    slbrock59 Posts: 15

    Perhaps this time, Boaz will finally move out of the early 1930's. At this time a person can be arrested, incarcerated, fined and have a CRIMINAL record for the simple posession of as little one can of beer. This is a barbaric practice that needs to be stopped. It only exists because of people imposing their religious beliefs on everyone else and making violations of said beliefs criminal acts.

     
  • Proud Christian posted at 8:42 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    Mr. Lockwood - Lot also became drunk. He also slept with each of his daughters because he was drunk. Did the alcohol impair his judgment? YEP! Did he still get in heaven? I would think so. The only person in the Bible that led a perfect (sinless) life was Jesus. I know, cbs, Jesus drank wine, blah, blah, blah. There are studies galore if it was actually fermented or not, but I am not here to debate that with you. Unlike you, I am not an expert on that subject.

    Does everyone that drinks alcohol become a drunkard? No. When you take your first drink, do you plan to become a drunk? No. But it happens to some.

    And BoazRes, "help the children" is a total cop out in my book. Drink and smoke to help to children!! You go ahead and drink that kool-aid if you want to. I am basing my opinion on the wet/dry issue on my relationship with God. The Bible speaks numerous times of the downfall of alcohol - to people and their families. No, the Bible doesn't say "Thou shalt not drink" but it does tell of the problems it causes in society. Do you "belong" (on a church membership roll) of a baptist church? If so, does the church covenant mean anything to you? I know our relationship is with Jesus Christ, but when we unite with a church, we agree to support the beliefs set forth by the Baptist Faith and Message. Just wondered what your opinon was on that.

    This is how our covenant begins - for those of you, cbs, that have a problem with it. "Having been led, as we believe by the Spirit of God, to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as our Savior and, on the profession of our faith, having been baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, we do now, in the presence of God, and this assembly, most solemnly and joyfully enter into covenant with one another as one body in Christ. "

     
  • TerryN posted at 8:33 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    TerryN Posts: 290

    AmericanCitizen - Your point went out the window at "We are making a bunch of foreigners rich,"

    Please never move to Boaz.

    I suppose you think that convenient stores don't pay taxes? You have a winery in town as well...small business growth there. Why must you have a "Major chain restuarant"? Do small franchises such as Santa Fe, and Jefferson's not pay taxes? They bring in just as much as a major chain does because they both seem to fairly busy when it counts!

    Dear small business and small restaurants. Come to Boaz....we won't shun you just because your name isn't known across the country.

     
  • John Thompson posted at 7:40 am on Tue, Oct 9, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Citizen, in case you didn't realize it, Boaz is much more compatible to Guntersville than to Albertville. Both in size and in the way they run their city governments.
    With new blood taking the helm in Albertville, maybe they too can begin to be proficient in city government, which will in turn raise your bond rating, which will in turn be more attractive to outside business.
    Albertville discourages major restaurant chains and other business from locating there with all their taxes and in fighting between their city officials. Until it has been proven that Albertville has cleaned up your city government , you'll never get anyone outside to relocate there.
    I'll say the same to you as I said to Mr. Nunn, Guntersville has about one million dollars per year in their city coffers they wood not have if they were a dry city.
    Boaz has more than just the Super Walmart going for it that Albertville does not have.
    They have an A+ bond rating that lets major restaurants and future business know that we have a solid city government.

     
  • The American Citizen posted at 11:00 pm on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    The American Citizen Posts: 91

    Mr. Nunn, I guess I'm the only that takes your side on this issue. I live in Albertville, and they snooked them with the same LIE...Saying it will bring a ton of money to the school system. If so, why do they keep on charging me school taxes on my tags, and laying off teachers? The NEW High School didn't come off of BEER MONEY! They said that it would bring Top Brand Name Restaurants to Albertville...Name them? Jefferson's is NOT, and Sante Fe Steak House is closing several of their businesses down and they are not a major Restaurant Chain. So name ONE famous Restaurant Chain that came to Albertville after they approved the Devil's Brew...ZERO! Only the convenient stores are the ones making the money. We are making a bunch of foreigners rich, besides the beer companies. All this "tax money" a city gets from liquor sales is nothing but Propaganda. Just like people falling for Obama's LIES, so are they falling for the "WET LIE." And Boaz has grown faster and bigger than Albertville, without being "Wet." The Super Wal-Mart in Boaz spanks the Guntersville one, and they don't sell booze and the Guntersville one does. All that Albertville could attract is a dead-end K-Mart. But let them laugh and make fun about it being a sin, and you even have a couple on here saying they are Christians and believe in the Devil's Brew, but they will see one day, as you say come Judgement Day. Only defense or come backs are..."you're judging me." If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, we can call it a duck, and that's NOT judging. People use their "Judging Card" as much as they do their Food Stamp Cards. We are only calling what we SEE. The Bible says you can't reason with a drunkman. So let them believe a lie and be damned. God bless, Mr. Nunn.

     
  • Boozer posted at 9:09 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Boozer Posts: 1

    These are not christian beliefs mr nunn, but rather judgements of man, by man. we are human beings and we have the rights as american citizens to choose the path we walk. ALCAP, which you quoted, have spent years trying to combat something that doesnt do what they would like you to believe. they have spouted for years that alcohol is the devil and that allowing it is what undermines our society........that is the most ridiculous thing in the world. it seems to me that ALCAP is shirking its own responsibilities to its fellow believers and is trying to pass that responsibility on to the state and city governments. I remember the day when people were down on their luck, homeless or in need of help, went to their church and the people in the church helped their fellow man, because they felt the responsibility of their faith. ALCAP does exactly the opposite, they have figured out how to "play the game" in Montgomery and in turn, call on legislators to have the state do their christian work for them. I've heard them tell their story of how alcohol has ripped apart their families and it is stunning how much of the responsibility they try to shirk. one of them tells a story of how his daughter and grandchildren are back living with him and his wife after his son in law "fell prey to the evils of alcohol". thats what families do, they take care of each other. if his daughter married a lazy good for nothing that happend to have a drink once in a while, maybe he should have taught her the difference. take a little of that responsibility. all that said, voting wet or dry is only a way of trying to use christian guilt to hold them down. there is a story about the shoals area where the wet/dry issue keeps coming up as well, and some interviews with citizens where some of them blatantly admit that while they have a few drinks regularly, they would vote dry in the election because they thought it was wrong to allow it??????? how is that christian? its just a matter of guilt, they feel like voting wet makes them a bad christian, but have no problem in many cases having a beer themselves. think about this folks, one of the main reasons the people like mr nunn were so opposed to the state law changing to allow smaller communities to vote on the issue is because they felt protected by it, dry counties are a hold over from another time, and in most cases do not represent the actual populations preferrence. cote wet, bring in some much needed dollars to help your community and let the church sort out the alcoholics if they feel so inclined......that is their calling isnt it?

     
  • BoazRes posted at 5:51 pm on Sun, Oct 7, 2012.

    BoazRes Posts: 34

    From a fellow Christian sir, a person's choice is based on the own, by God, not by a church. I am Christian, and I am voting wet sir... I do not drink, nor ever will.. You should be ashamed In judgment. The faith if Catholicism take a sip of wine ( for the blood if Christ) for him.. You can't say God wants the world dry... It is his relationship with an individual to make that choice... I have never drank nor will ever drink... But I will allow my city to provide for our children... Im NOT voting dry because a or the church wants me to... I'm voting wet because God tells me to provide to our schools and out city (kingdom)... By voting wet.. Our people and kingdom will benefit ... You really should stop omitting parts of the bible to make a case... God and the entire bible is the way, and it's okay to go wet.. I say this to all Christians... A church or preacher is not God... Only God Is God... It's not a sin... Vote based in your feeling and your relationship with him... Thanks... Mr. Nunn you need to focus more in the drugs, aeithism, crime, and incest in Gunterville... And 2... If you are a preacher and serve God, you would know you do not demand, tell, or discriminate by your beliefs .. To guide people to God and tell them how wonderful and right he is... And forgive me lord got saying this, but it's people like you that give God and Christianity a bad name.. All ways demanding it to be your way or highway... Decision's should be based on what God tells you.. Not a church, preacher, or fellow Christians.... They choice is between you and God alone .. And frankly.. No one elses business...

     
  • boaz resident posted at 1:22 pm on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    hey Bobby, i'm curious, do you like NASCAR? If so, do you know how the nation's favorite sport got started?

     
  • HogWash posted at 11:17 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    HogWash Posts: 154

    Vote YES!

     
  • Truthurts posted at 10:38 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    No vote Nunn must have a summer cottage located in Boaz. Mr. Nunn if i want an adult beverage or a couple cases, i have the right to do so in my castle. If Boaz doesn't go wet, i will give my vice tax to some entity that requires me to pay one. If Boaz wants it then Boaz should sell it. It does not matter to me who gets it because just like me after receiving it, they will urinate it away.

     
  • youngpupster posted at 7:30 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    youngpupster Posts: 147

    Prohibition didn't work. Alcohol, when used responsibly, is nowhere near the problem you people make it out to be. It is an absolute shame that people write letters like this. This is why people around our country make fun of this state.

    Have you ever wondered why the most conservative states are the poorest?

     
  • OldSchooL posted at 6:18 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 409

    P.S. Mr. nunn you did'nt stop albertville or guntersville from going wet and you want stop boaz from going wet either. good day mr. Bobby G. Nunn in Guntersville

     
  • OldSchooL posted at 6:12 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 409

    it's funny mr.nunn lives in a wet city and has a choice to buy alcoholic beverages or not buy alcoholic beverages in the city he lives in. i live in boaz and i would like to have the same choice, without having to drive to albertville or into etowah county to buy what i want, so mr. nunn i will vote for boaz to go wet and you need to keep your nose out of boaz business and worry about guntersville business. i could less about what happens down there in guntersville, so quit worrying about what happens in boaz, or can you vote in boaz ?

     
  • John Thompson posted at 4:59 pm on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Mr. Nunn, I think the people of Boaz are as tired of hearing from you as they are from me.
    Your city receives around $500,000.00 per year in direct tax revenue from the sale of alcohol alone per your city clerk.
    That does not take into account the restaurants that are there that would not be there if your city did not offer alcohol sales. Those restaurants will serve ice water, sweet tea, milk or coffee if that is your beverage of choice but the city will collect sales tax on the total food tab no matter your preference. The same with your smaller Walmart. Their beer and wine sales average $350,000.00 per month with the total grocery bill at the point of sale being 75% above that number.
    Mr. Nunn, one million dollars per year in total revenue may not be much for a man of your means but us folks down here in Boaz could buy our city a lot of good things with that money.
    The fact that you pull a number like $48,000.00 dollars out of thin air shows that you are trying to be deceptive.
    Anyone out there ever heard of google?
    Google the information yourself or call the city clerks of comparable cities that allow legalized sales.
    The Boaz police department today has about the same amount of patrol officers on duty as cities with populations ranging from 7500 to 12,000 (Boaz has about 10,000) that currently have legal sales.
    Mr. Nunn, you are as wrong about this as you are in your usage of the word however.

     

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