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Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 4:06 pm

One of my liberal friends has posted a graphic showing how many people with incomes from $211,000 and up pay no income tax. How many people making $211k or more do you think have a 7-3 or 9-5 job where they punch a clock and then go home? Very few if any.

I bet 99.9 percent of those make that kind of money because they put in long hard hours getting there. These are the people that provide employment for others. From doctors and lawyers to manufacturers, they all have that in common. They have people that rely on them for jobs.

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  • Truthurts posted at 7:57 pm on Thu, Oct 11, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    @ Buffalo posted at 10:10 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Explain California's train wreck ......who was running that senate locomotive? People like you still make me feel like a genius. Here, just for you, another Darwin.

  • Buffalo posted at 10:10 am on Mon, Oct 8, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Lockweed, no matter how you might twist the facts or make up your own as before; The States that are considered moochers of the system are largely Republican and the states that are not considered moochers are largely Democratic. So, go ahead and vote Republican and complain about the welfare system etc... Republicans are paid off by the corporations that took jobs and homes away and your dumb@&% still votes for them. Now that’s the facts! [cool]

  • Daliann04 posted at 11:26 am on Sat, Oct 6, 2012.

    Daliann04 Posts: 250

    Oh my goodness if all y'all sat around a table with a pot of coffee. You could spend hours with eachother.

  • Buffalo posted at 6:32 pm on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    I love it when Lockweed pulls out his mean namesI must say that you simply make up numbers, you and I both know that. How old are you? Have you ever had a real job? Do your parents know you are on the computer?[beam]

  • tomcryar posted at 10:25 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    lockwood said: "Alabama isn't even in the top ten states with the highest percentage of food stamp recepients. In fact, of the top 10 states only 5 are from the Southeast. " That's actually 50% according to your logic....Alabama actually IS one of them. I'm sure despite the MIS-information that you keep trying to put out, that you'll, no doubt, continue to think you're right.

  • cbsboaz posted at 9:05 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Both of the metro area's of Chicago and Detroit alone have a bigger population than our entire state. I don't mean both combined either, I mean both alone. When you get that many people in one area anywhere it will turn into a ghetto.
    Alabama-Food Stamp recipients 2010-Table 571.
    901,000 Given the fact that our states population is only around 4.8 million that's 1 in 5 in this state that is on food stamps.

    Like I said, a population of people too ignorant or lazy to help themselves by organizing and demanding a living wage. Federal handouts are the only thing keeping this state above water.

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:19 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Last time I checked Mike, it's been your type of political ideology that has been practiced in the southeastern United States on a very consistent basis for the last half century or more.

    What has it gotten us?? Except being the poorest, and the highest percentages of population on welfare/food stamps than any other region of the country.

    So you may want to rethink the whole Tom and I are idiots thing. Because your political ideology has actively turned the region you sit in into a very fast approaching ghetto.

    Funny to hear you idiots cry about government handouts when in truth that is precisely the only thing keeping the south's head above water.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 12:17 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS WOW really! I misspelled a word? I guess that happens once in a while right? Oh wait you didn't even know how to spell grip. If the best you can do is try to judge my spelling then you have already lost the argument.

    As I have said in the past you and Tom are the only idiots present. Both of your heads are co-located in a dark dark place. Neither of you can stand up for your posts and both of you run when confronted with the truth.

    Two idiots with a Darwin Award waiting for them somewhere!

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:13 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, the only thing you prove is that you're an idiot who just likes to try and sound intelligent.

    Which is why you use a medical term that even doctors and medical workers don't use unless they're writing out a medical report.

    Which is kinda amusing considering one of the first times you used it you misspelled it.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 8:11 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Tom, I see you stopped licking the windows on the short bus long enough to come on here and add absolutely nothing.

    Please Tom tell us about your resolve and your plans to move the country forward. Give us your plan and please don't go to some Obama website and quote him. I want to know what you resolve to do.

    Otherwise, if you can't come up with anything you will just prove that you and CBSBOAZ have your heads co-located. Which is, buried deep within your gluteus maximus.

  • cbsboaz posted at 7:48 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, "Yes, I agree that unions had their usefulness but most of that was gone once the Federal Minimum wage standard came into effect."

    REALLY??? That must be why Alabama is still one of the poorest states in the country in terms of wages.

    Especially when you have manufacturing jobs locally that pay 25 cents to 2 dollars above minimum wage.

    Like I've said before, a population too stupid or too lazy to help themselves.

  • tomcryar posted at 11:58 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    I meant, country.

  • tomcryar posted at 11:43 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    lockwood, and truth, your diatribes bring nothing more to the table, then the resolve of those of us who want to see this contry move forward, and prosper. Your idiotic rhetoric falls on very deaf ears.......

  • Truthurts posted at 11:01 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Look what this has turned into! It's your fault Don! LOL [beam]

  • Truthurts posted at 10:58 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Let's sum it up in a nutshell. Unions have a place in the private business sectors only. The cookie jar gets cleaned out fast when unions are involved with local ,state and federal g'vmt. Services and performance becomes substandard and the entitlement train chugs right along. I have worked hard my whole life and my employers have always rewarded me accordingly without having union backing. Don't spout about the teachers getting underpaid. Perhaps if they worked as hard at teaching as they do paying a lobbyist with their union dues then maybe the kids could actually learn something.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 9:48 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    So teachers have no responsibility whatsoever right?That's what you are basically saying or where in your oxygen deprived brain do you think the teachers have a responsibility?

    If they aren't responsible for ensuring the kids receive proper teaching then why have a teacher in the first place. In your world, it seems that all a teacher is supposed to do is show up, write something on the chalkboard or turn on the tv, and expect the child to understand what's going on. No standards, no other responsibilities.

    If that is your expectation of a teacher then why should their wages be any higher than babysitting wages. If you think that a child's education lies solely with the parents and the teacher should not be held accountable at all, then we have been overpaying them for a long time.

    Yes, I agree that unions had their usefulness but most of that was gone once the Federal Minimum wage standard came into effect. Now Unions are good for making sure local politicians, that will back their demands for pay raises and constantly increased benefits, will get elected. Namely Dems. Even if those wages are far and above what can be supported by the residents.

    If you look, more and more cities across the country are filing bankruptcy because they can no longer afford the retirement pay and benefits that past politicians promised these unions just so they could get elected or reelected.

    Also if you look, most of this unfunded liability is in the states with the biggest union membership. Ohio, Michigan, New York, New Jersey, California, Illinois etc. are hundreds of billions in debt due to those past promises.

    Illinois Gov already asked that the fed be responsible for any shortfalls within his state. I say let them all fail. If they shed all of that weight and start over then the people will not be so heavily taxed and the government will work way more efficiently in most cases.

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:15 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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    Mike, "But somehow you think a teacher, who is responsible for ensuring a child receives an education, shouldn't be held to a certain standard."

    Actually no sir, it's the parents job to ensure their child receives an education. It's not possible to teach anyone who has no desire to learn.

    Back in your day and even in my day if you didn't behave and learn in school you got the devil beat out of you.

    Sadly, this is not the case anymore. Today you have alot of kids who have parents that don't care enough to make sure their kids do their homework at night, let alone encourage them to learn.

    As far as unions, I've said it once and I'll say it again, I have respect for unions because they are the reason why we have a minimum wage in this country and workers benefits and such.

    You may want to take note of the fact Mike that you are standing in a state that is so stupid and behind the times that if there wasn't a federal minimum wage in place THERE WOULD NOT BE A MINIMUM WAGE IN THIS STATE!!

    The southeast United States has always been behind the times in everything, why this should be any different??

    The only difference between a yankee laborer and a southern laborer is a yanknee laborer has enough brains to know when he's being screwed by his employer and do something about it.

    Hence the reason why the south has the lowest average wages in the country.

    As I wrote in a letter to the editor months ago we are merely a cheap way for a company to say "made in the u.s.a.". The entire southeastern United States has become the American equivalent of China and Mexico.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 7:43 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS, also you are right FOX does carry American Idol and some other contestant shows. Name a network that doesn't. ABC has several NBC has their list but also owns Bravo which is nothing but your favorite BS tv shows.

    Viacom owns CBS, BET, MTV, so guess who is putting out most of those worthless "reality" shows. The left wing liberal media!!!!!

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 6:09 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432


    Let me show you how your ideology is total double speak. We will start with you. You said "what I do REQUIRES a college degree, passing national exams, requires me to receive continuing education units to maintain my license, and is regulated by a state board".

    However when I posted that I thought a teacher, should also be held to some sort of standard you said that my statement called into my intelligence entirely and that 99% of teachers were doing just fine.

    So tell us Darwin, I mean CBS, what makes them any different than anyone else. If a person shows up at Mitchell Groceries warehouse and is pulling loads do you think they aren't held to a standard? Do you not think a pilot has to meet certain standards all the time to keep his or her job? How about a Doctor? How about you? You already said you had to pass national tests and maintain continuing education or you wouldn't be able to keep your license, right?

    But somehow you think a teacher, who is responsible for ensuring a child receives an education, shouldn't be held to a certain standard.

    Also when I mentioned Chicago as an example you called it a ghetto. Guess who has been running Chicago. The Dems. since 1931. Detroit since 1962. Baltimore since 1967. Philadelphia since 1952. So all of these "ghetto" cities, they got that way due to the leadership they voted into office.

    As for the Republicans dying out and the only way is the path of the left wing Dem libs; one only need look at Greece, France, Spain, etc. to see that that way of 'free government handouts' which your hero favors, just doesn't work at all.

    I truly think you are clueless on what you actually believe and feel. All those hours riding the short bus to school must have affected your abilities to comprehend as has your inability to get a breath of fresh air, due to your gluetius maximus being wrapped around your throat to tight.

  • cbsboaz posted at 3:19 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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    Mike, "s for all of those shows you just named I agree, but guess who makes them. Its the same left wing lib groups and media that you love to follow. "

    Apparently you're uninformed to the point that you're not aware that American Idol runs on and is made by Fox which is the most right wing network on the planet.

    The rest of the shows I named are all aired on what I like to call "estrogen networks". Because honestly it's only shows women watch that come on them.

    As far as Hollywood fundraisers being for republicans, maybe ya'll should ask Clint Eastwood or Charlton Heston to throw ya'll one. Good luck finding any actors that aren't dinosaurs or many young people at all that are of the right wing persuasion.

    Simple fact is whether you people want to admit it or not the eventual fate of right wing ideology is doomed to go extinct.

    Right wingers don't look at America and see a melting pot, they see a country built off the backs of minorities and the poor.

    The fun part about it is sooner or later the minorities and the poor get tired of being treated like garbage and rise up. Study the history of this country and you will find a pattern of that very thing time and again every so often.

    I hate to be the one to tell you, but this is not the 1950's anymore, nor will it ever be again. The Democratic party has evolved with the times in the last century, sadly your party hasn't.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 12:09 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBSBOAZ as I said in previous posts I will compare my education with yours anytime. Like you I also have a college degree but unlike you mine isn't a two year Associates. I didn't end my education at two years and then decide that was good enough. So anytime you want to pull out diplomas or gpa's then go for it.

    As for all of those shows you just named I agree, but guess who makes them. Its the same left wing lib groups and media that you love to follow. The same ones that would rather not publish the truth but hide it under bogus or lame news stories that they can conjure up. The same ones that support your hero.

    I'm not knocking the whole Dem Party but tell me when the last Hollywood fundraiser was thrown for a current Republican candidate running for any office. Now tell me who produces these useless programs.

    So lets see how many times you have told me that I didn't want to match brain pans with you... How about on the Military..... or that you knew that all defense workers were engineers, or how about the fact that you didn't know the difference between medicare and medicaid, each one you were proven wrong on and once proven you ran off to another subject..... just as you will run again.

    I once called you an oxygen thief but then realized I was wrong. The truth became evident and I corrected my mistake. The truth is you are oxygen deprived because you have had your head up your 4th point of contact for sometime now.

    As I said, loosen those sphincters and pull your head out for some fresh air. Or put your 'vast' training to use and run you an oxygen tube up there where your head is stuck.

  • cbsboaz posted at 9:22 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

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    Mike, "Across the U.S 25% of kids are below the basic level of reading
    The level of kids at or above the basic level is 75%
    The percentage of kids that are proficient at reading at their grade level is a whole 32%"

    Um yea it's believable that that percentage of parents don't get involved in their kids education. Especially when you actually have tv shows like American Idol, The real housewives of Gold Digger County, and that dumb Honey Boo Boo show.

    Due to the right wing establishment ignorance has become celebrated in this country. Those tv shows wouldn't stay on the air unless there was a healthy segment of the population who watched them. And I must say it has to take an extremely ignorant mind to actually tolerate watching them.

    Mike, "You have shown that your teachers and your parents have failed you time and time again "

    Actually no my parents didn't fail me and neither did my teachers which is why I hold a degree and a license that allows me if I choose to practice put freaking twits like you on life support and rehabilitate your pulmonary system.

    You really don't wanna compare brain pans with me because what I do REQUIRES a college degree, passing national exams, requires me to receive continuing education units to maintain my license, and is regulated by a state board.

    You are nothing more than a right winger trolling. But I wouldn't expect you to know what that term means without looking it up.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 10:00 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS so the whole city of Chicago is now a ghetto? Doesn't your hero claim Chicago as his home? So I guess the Obama kids are going to be moving back to the ghetto in the future, huh.

    Lets look at the U.S. as a whole for 8th grade kids
    Across the U.S 25% of kids are below the basic level of reading
    The level of kids at or above the basic level is 75%
    The percentage of kids that are proficient at reading at their grade level is a whole 32%

    So if we believe you CBS that 68% that are not proficient readers didn't come to learn and there was nothing their teachers could do all through their k-7 years that could have motivated them to do better????

    So 99% of the teachers are good and there should be no method, to grade their abilities as teachers, in place to ensure they are doing the job they are paid to do. So 68% of the parents across the entire nation are failures as parents?????

    You have shown that your teachers and your parents have failed you time and time again but I seriously doubt that 68% of parents don't want their kids to get a good education.

    One last thing before I finish for the night Darwin...... I mean CBS.... it's get a grip. A gripe is what YOU, CBS. usually do because you don't have any facts to back up what you say.

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:03 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

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    "In the Chicago Public Schools,"

    Dear Lord Mike, can you get a gripe and at least cite a city as a source that isn't mostly ghetto??????

    It's a known fact that parents in ghetto area's don't care about how their kids do in school because those parents don't think their kids have a chance to do any better than they did.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 5:22 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    cbsboaz Again you raise your ugly head and spout bs, but then with the current placement of your head, with only bs surrounding it, it stands to reason that only s___ will come out.

    "In the Chicago Public Schools, where the teacher’s union is now seeking a 30 percent raise over the next two years, only 21 percent of 8th graders tested at grade-level proficient or better in reading in 2011 and only 20 percent tested at grade-level proficient or better in mathematics, according to the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests administered by the U.S. Department of Education".

    The Chicago School Districts have over 350,000 kids attending school there. So basically what you are saying is that only about 73500 kids show up to get an education and the other 276,500 kids are just showing up right?

    Like I said before CBS loosen up your sphincter muscles and grab a few gulps of fresh air. Also, if you are able to pull your head out you might venture back to some of your posts where you degraded the public education system and either retract those or better yet just run from the facts like you always do.

    It must be hard for you to try to get on here and post anything that is close to the truth or even relevant. I guess all that time riding the short bus to school didn't help you at all. But then I heard you were the one licking and drooling on the windows of the bus instead of trying to learn anything that would help you in society.

    Somewhere there is a Darwin with your name on it too. Do your self a favor and don't try to claim it to fast.

  • cbsboaz posted at 4:31 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, "What is wrong with holding teachers to a standard that makes them do their job or moves them out. "

    Mike I think this statement alone calls into question your intelligence entirely.

    Can anyone honestly say looking back on their time in schools that they actually had just horrible teachers incapable of teaching???

    In all honesty, no, you had plenty of kids who were undisciplined and didn't want to learn generally because they had bad parents who didn't care.

    The fact Mike that you don't understand or comprehend the fact stated above kinda shows that you don't live in reality.

    Simple fact is 99% of teachers do their jobs just fine, sad fact is many parents don't get involved in their child's education or even care if they do bad or good, let alone encourage them.

    Teaching anyone isn't something that can be forced, the individual being taught has to want to learn.

    Teachers do their jobs just fine, it's a students job to sit there, shut up, and study, most of them simply don't.

    So yes I think teachers should have the right to organize just as any other citizen in this country has the ability to.

    When doing anything that is in the realm of human services, healthcare, teaching, etc, nothing is ever done 100% effective because you are dealing with human nature, and human nature is flawed.

    Personally, I think you're a certified retard who just likes to troll.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 6:58 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Tom you must love to squirm then because you have been proven the idiot time after time. I think your village is calling Tom, they must be missing theirs....... oh wait that could be the Darwins calling, looking to add your name to their list.

  • tomcryar posted at 11:29 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    I love it when the idiots squirm.

  • Truthurts posted at 1:35 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    @ Buffalo posted at 7:29 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    And Buff yours would kill you if and when you decided to remove your head from it.

  • Truthurts posted at 1:29 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

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    tomcryar posted at 9:24 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Only the best for those most deserving...........[beam]

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 1:04 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Tom Cryar where in my post did I say we should get rid of teachers. The only thing im against is the teachers unions going on strike when they are afraid to be graded. Obviously the teachers you had failed you because your reading comprehension sucks. May I suggest going back and taking reading comp 101.

    What is wrong with holding teachers to a standard that makes them do their job or moves them out. If you didn't do your job properly Tom Im sure someone would be kicking you in your hind in or smacking you up side your pumpkin to get your attention. Or at least they would be telling you what you need to do to improve.

    The teachers don't even want that. The best thing would be to give the parents vouchers for what the fed and state would pay for those kids to go to school so they could let their kids go to a real school and get a real education.

    Again Tom less rhetoric and more thinking on your part please. If not then you will continue to prove yourself a good candidate for a Darwin.

  • Truthurts posted at 11:36 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Why is the country so broke? Government was established to do only one thing; To protect and maintain individual rights. Nothing more........nothing less. It wasn't established to create jobs, redistribute wealth, hand out entitlements, create a military or give our money to other countries in the form of aid. Afterall it can't even pass a budget much less balance it. Let's not mention managing money. No services should be provided with a barrel of a gun but we see things pass everyday on local ,state and federal level that are. Everyday we lose a little more rights. They chip away at it a little at a time. One day we will wake up get dressed for work and take public transportation to and from. Read the official gov't newspaper and call our coworkers коллега. Anytime gov't is involved in anything it fails. Don't think i am anti gov't for i am not. It's just not ran the way it was intended to be ran. I know times have changed but it shouldn't change the reason gov't was establish.

  • Truthurts posted at 7:36 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    tomcryar posted at 11:22 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2011

    Where did you come up with the idea i wanted to do away with all cops and all firefighters? The point was to do away with the the grossly overpaid ones courtesy of the money sucking unions. Let me double check what i stated..........nope not a thing about wanting to do away with these departments. Try and read each one of my post carefully just like you measure twice and cut once before falsely accusing me of something i didn't state.

  • Buffalo posted at 7:29 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Here is a clue for you. Another 4 years. Man, Lockweed, your buht must hurt after you pulled those numbers out of it. [beam]

  • Truthurts posted at 6:58 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Perhaps he could bronze them and add them to the award(s)

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 4:17 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

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    Tom if you feel the post where I was talking about the gene pool fits you........ well if the shoe fits...

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 4:16 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Buffalo In what way do you feel the letter is ignorant? I think the author was trying to point out that most people that are earning more than $250 k per year didn't just luck out and have the money fall in their lap.

    An ignorant person would be one that thinks all doctors are rich or that all lawyers are rolling in the money. Or that every manufacturer doesn't pay a dime in taxes and is just looking for the fastest way to ship their business overseas.

    Lets just take a look at the doctor. This is an average of what a person could expect to pay if they become a Doctor. This is assuming the student chooses forbearance of his or her loans and then repayment over 15 years.

    Annual cost of tuition: $48,000
    Annual cost of attendance: $67,500 (Includes costs of books/supplies, loan fees, health insurance, licensure fees, living expenses, and transportation allowance)

    Total balance after medical school: $270,000
    Amount subsidized: $34,000
    Amount unsubsidized: $236,000

    Interest incurred during 3 years of residency: $100,000
    Total balance after residency: $370,000

    Monthly payment after residency: $3,370 (180 total payments)
    Interest incurred after residency: $237,000
    Total repayment: $607,000

    So here is a person that will be paying back $3,370 a month just in student loans and you think somehow they are rich and have all this money to tuck away in tax havens?

    On top of that if they actually opened their own business office, there would be rent, equipment costs, wages for nurses and other assistants, Malpractice Insurance, license fees, etc. you are talking thousands and thousand more per month.

    Oh wait are you ignorant enough to believe the Doctors get to go to school for free? Or that they automatically make hundreds of thousands every month, or possibly that someone else pays all their license fees insurance and other costs?

    Lawyers leave school with an average of $100,000 in education debt. Most, unless they are attending one of the top 10 law schools, and unless they graduate in the top 10% of their class will not be considered for one of those high paying corporate jobs like they show on tv. Most, if they could get a job practicing law, will be lucky to make around $70-80k per year.

    So go ahead Buffalo please explain how a doctor or lawyer or a small manufacturing company is making so much money that they need tax havens to hide all their assets they have rolling in. If you are a true hardcore Dem. and that is the mindset of the party then you all don't have a clue.

  • tomcryar posted at 9:24 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    truth hurts, and lockwood----very classy.

  • Buffalo posted at 8:52 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    Crickets chirping…

  • Buffalo posted at 5:16 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    It goes without saying what an ignorant letter Mr. Sanders managed to write. I guess if there were no clients for the Lawyers, Doctors and Manufacturing ….not to mention the tax havens given to each and every one of them …….what a mislead individual. IT’S ANOTHER GREAT DAY TO BE A DEMOCRAT! [beam][wink][smile][innocent][cool][love]

  • Truthurts posted at 5:10 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

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    All we can hope for is that natural selection is sped up to save ourselves from having to purchase so many awards.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 11:23 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    lol That would be a plus Truthurts. Subtracting the genes of some of these posters could only be an improvement to the State of Alabama and the U.S. as a whole. Have a great night I will go to bed laughing.

  • tomcryar posted at 11:22 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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    All I see, and am laughing, is desperate measures from the few. The few who know they are wrong but refuse to admit it. You have Mike Lockwood proposing getting rid of teachers, and "truth hurts" who is obviously advocating getting rid of all police and firefighters jobs. All I can say, is wow! I really can't believe people actually think like that anymore,

  • Truthurts posted at 10:49 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

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    Or should i have said "a deserving few ".

  • Truthurts posted at 9:00 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    @ Mike Lockwood: I am in complete agreement with what you said below. Perhaps a Darwin Award or two can be handed to a lucky few posters here.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 1:15 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    How are my ideas the characterization of a bigot?? Because I'm against the current Administration increasing the amount of government workers? Or is it because I believe small business owners/creators are the drivers of the economy?

    Guess what Buffalo even Obama, when he was begging Congress to pass the Stimulus Bill, admitted that Small Business was the backbone of the Economy. However; instead of putting most of the money towards that end he wasted it by spending it on every lib dream out there.

    He wasted the tax payers money on the stimulus trying to prop up government union workers and he wasted it on union jobs when he bailed out GM.

    The government worker unions are unsustainable. If you look; cities are having to file bankruptcy because they can not afford the giveaway that supports these unions.

    When you have cry baby teachers in Chicago striking because they don't want to be held accountable and for money even though they make far more than the tax payers paying their salary, that is unsustainable!

    When city workers are robbing the city like in Bell, Ca. that's unsustainable.

    Look no further than Pritchard, Al and you will see what happens when certain politicians get to comfortable giving government union workers anything they want. Or better yet look at Jefferson County which is filing Chapter 9 because the Government Union workers retirement plan is unsustainable.

    It's not funny to see the state needing $145 million to balance their budget this year. It's terrible when a county within this state is $4.23 billion in debt.

    Unions can do as they please in the private sector. However; as Truthurts said, they should not be allowed to hold the citizens hostage. Even Roosevelt and Truman were against government unions.

  • Truthurts posted at 11:14 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Local government employees unionized! What a concept and absolutely brilliant. Why didnt i think of that? Basically these " public werks " unions have great intentions for the members. They all rally together and hold out for all they can get and get they do. Show me a 5 year veteran of the APD or BPD that makes nearly 100g a year plus 30 paid vacation days a year and benefits out the whazoo as the NYPD does. All this coming from taxpayers pocketbooks. As i mentioned before these are not sustainable jobs. There are no goods being produced or sold so these police and firemen are a parasite on the cities budget but on the other hand are a neccesity for daily operations of a city. This is where municipal court comes in to try and recover some of the services being offered. Examples are parking tickets, speeding tickets, dui arrests ect. During contract renewal times, all they got to do is mention strike and the public goes crazy thinking that rioting and looting is going to happen.The city gets pressure from both sides and eventually give in to demands. Service is degraded to mediocre or substandard with countless complaints filed each year. With the protection from the union lawyers and union money, a cop losing a lawsuit for personal liabilities is virtually unheard of. If the cops get out of hand and causes the city to get a law suit against them, the union is there to toss all the funds they can to help out a " brother " to assure their job is secure. The city is out hundred of thousands of dollars to " pay off " and make the lawsuit " go away " These unions are destroying cities bugets and costing the taxpayers countless dollars by keeping the bad apples in uniform. I agree unions are good in the private sector job market but not beneficial or productive to local, state or federal governments. Buffalo i do not care if you are a Dem, Rep, Ind or what . Anytime unions are in a binding contract with government the citizens lose. Expected pay raises and entitlements instead of earned pay raises and entitlements = higher taxes and substandard services period!

  • Buffalo posted at 8:21 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Some cannot handle the truth. As for Mr. Lockwood and others please go and introduce yourself to any local union member or better yet visit the NYC unionized Fire Fighters and Police Department, I would love to see that. But you don’t have the orbs and everyone knows it. Again, get a room and please yourself with Mitt and friends. Mitt has no, nooooooooooo chance and your ideas are the characterization of a bigot. It’s a wonderful time to be a Democrat! [beam]

  • Truthurts posted at 7:12 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169 For all those interested heres a link to a video that puts trillions in perspective.

  • Truthurts posted at 6:55 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    @ Mike you, even i can come up with a good one from time to time! [thumbup]

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 6:34 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Truthurts I don't think it could be put better

  • Truthurts posted at 6:10 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Tomcryar seems to not be a fan of hardcore sarcasm ey? Far as making up my mind on which political party i choose, let me state a logical opinion on choosing party platforms or not. These days and times of huge deficits and unchecked spendings we as Americans need to stop and think what is best for our country. An old timer once told me i had to vote either Republican or Democrat. My response was " I will vote for the man who can get the job done." It would be a disgrace to vote either Demo or Rep knowing that there is a potential of further debt on your/my great great great great great grandchildren. Of course this could involve a few more generations depending on how much more debt is accrued over the next decade. In order for the US to become debt free each woman, man and child in the counrty would have to reach in their pocket book and hand the government roughly $750,000. I don't know any children and only a handful of people that can hand over that kind of cash. In a nutshell a vote should be placed with the canidate that puts this country's best interest first instead their pocketbook and or their party. Until this happens, i still hear a couple of train whistle in the distant heading towards eachother. The USA worth is about 23 trillion dollars ( give or take a few trillion) and this includes intellectual worth. Once debt surpasses ones worth collapse will happen. Hard to borrow huge sums with no collateral. Walk in to any bank and tell them you don't have any collateral or co signer or a job and see if you get aprroved for a 3/4 million dollar loan. Of course we could all jump in a boat and cruise on over to Greece, All the worlds countries combined can not prop up this country as Germany has Greece. A 17 trillion deficit leaves less than 10 trillion remaining. Being an idoit at times would mean closing my eyes to the usless spending of the elected officials. I tolerate the likes of Tomcryars of the world and welcome their views and comments. Actually they make me feel like a freaking genius.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 1:11 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Buffalo as for your comment about organized labor making a comeback. You seem to be as clueless as Tom. The only labor unions that haveincreased are the ones paid directly by the government as Truthurts pointed out below. Union membership in the private sector has been on the decrease. The only way the Unions will get any stronger is if Obozo continues to grow the Government.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 12:59 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Buffalo If you took the time to read all the posts you might see that I was not rambling but rather making a point. If you didn't have time to read them then oh well too bad for you.

    Tom I would say that Truthurts hit it right on the head. If you didn't get it he was making a joke out of the Government and it's ability to 'create' jobs. Again you come off as totally clueless

  • tomcryar posted at 12:30 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    Truthurts.......I wish you would make up your mind, and be one way or the other.....right now, you're on par with the other idiots.

  • Truthurts posted at 12:03 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Buffalo your right! Organized labor is making a comeback thats bigger and better than ever before! I am so pumped over this approach to job growth as you are! For example agencies such as TSA, DHS, ICE, ATF, FEMA, Border Patrol Agents and soon to be expanded IRS thats going to levy taxes and collect from those who choose to opt out on Barry Care are great organizations that just keeps growing!. I could just go on and on! But the sad reality is who is going to pay these newly added job salaries? I love how these jobs were counted as jobs and none were sustainable. And the deficit just keeps sky rocketing (and so does NASA). Nothing like being in debt. Afterall its the American way. Someone has to keep the big banks funded but thats another topic. Keep piling on government jobs......hire all you can huh? I see a train wreck here somewhere. Bigger government means more taxes and more services provided at the end of a gun barrel. Don't pay your share of taxes and you will probably get a not so friendly visit from the new and friendlier IRS person wearing a firearm telling you to pay or stay awhile at a local US Bed and Breakfast. Ask Wesley Snipes about the accomodations.

  • Buffalo posted at 10:04 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Get a room Mike. At least maybe someone there will respect your ramblings. [blink][sleeping]

  • Leon posted at 3:36 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    If you want to see and know what type jobs the government creates - all you have to see is the newest job the citizens of Alabama voted for. This ATF transfer will be over seen by a committee slected by the bill, new jobs ?!!

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 3:25 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS you constantly bring your reading and comprehension abilities into question. Now where did I say that small business employed 99% of the workers in this country. If you could actually comprehend that for every big corporation or business there are 99 small businesses.

    If you took a drive down 431, as you told me to do, you would know that. Also the SBA is a government entity just like Dept. of Education, DOJ, etc. So I guess the way you look at it is any govt website that somewhat supports your beliefs must be right and those that show you wrong just can't be believed...... right????

    Again you run from the rest of the facts that I showed, that proved you wrong. You weren't even close on how much money Marshall County got and not in the ball park as to what Huntsville got in the stimulus.

    Your problem is obvious. You don't have a clue except what someone tells you that fits your thinking. You are so closed minded that you live in la la land. You think the only companies that are good are the major corporations or the government.

    Think about this, when was the last time a small business owner got a bailout that costed the tax payers millions or billions of dollars such as GM or AIG.

  • cbsboaz posted at 1:41 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike "Not made up but straight from the Small Business Administration web site. Read it and weep because again you are clueless and wrong. "

    Yea it is made up, they made it up. small business doesn't make up even half ot the jobs in this county let alone 99%. Any other county you go to that is the case.

    The small business administration is an administration whose sole job more or less to is make small business owners feel more important than they are and to feel as if they have more of a voice than they actually do.

    There's a reason why the phrase is used "Corporate America", because the corporations own this country lock, stock, and barrel.

    Don't confuse the illusion with the reality.

    That has been the case ever since some of the wealthiest individuals in this country first thought up the idea of the federal reserve on Jekyll Island off the coast of Georgia in 1910.

  • Daliann04 posted at 1:37 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Daliann04 Posts: 250

    To all your information battles:

    Give yourself 2 hours

    This is a public radio station/recorded video of Alex Jones and how he is telling everyone everything.

    I am not sure this is true but he has a lot of information that caused me to request a CARF

  • Daliann04 posted at 1:31 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Daliann04 Posts: 250

    Oh my, totototototot

    Do y'all know what grants are?

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 12:23 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS, post what you want but just like the other issues we debated you are again wrong. You say you learned to do research? Well then quit doing a partial job. Since you like Gov websites go to the SBA.GOV and you will see that what I posted was correct.

    "The latest figures show that small businesses create 75 percent of the net new jobs in our economy"

    ".Small businesses make up 97 percent of exporters and produce 29 percent of all export value".

    " Small businesses employ about 50 percent of all private sector workers"

    "Small businesses create more than 50 percent of the nonfarm private gross domestic product (GDP)".

    " Small businesses make up more than 99.7% of all employers"

    Not made up but straight from the Small Business Administration web site. Read it and weep because again you are clueless and wrong.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 10:47 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS go to and go to Alabama. Under recepient name just type in Marshall County. You will then see that the Board of Education for Marshall County received a total of $10,177,707.00 another $4,225,367 under Albertville, another $3,025,733 under Boaz and then you can look up the rest but that is just under Dept of Education funds from the stimulus which came out to over $23,411,000 for the county and the cities.

    There was another $18,744,000 through the Department of Agriculture and SBA gave another $8,325,900.00

    My numbers are accurate while yours are....... your imagination!

  • Leon posted at 10:26 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Mick, you know what gets me with these liberal Democrats ? The fact that they keep bashing the Republicans, when it is not any party that is represented in any state or federal congress. After one runs for office, they are elected to serve the people. After then, they become PUBLIC SERVANTS. I do believe they don't know that NO where in the US or state constitution does it call for "political parties". If a representative or senator presents a bill, his name goes on the bill, not the party he/she ran on ! All this mess about so many Republicans or so many Democrats voted for this or that is BS. The person did that and if he/she did not do what the people wanted they are vote out not the party. That is the case with Obama, he will be votede out because he did not do a good job as President, not because of the party he ran on !

  • cbsboaz posted at 11:00 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Thank you for proving why myself and some others on here think you are an idiot. Because you choose the dumbest locations to get your information from.

    Your website is wrong, and can easily be proven as such. Marshall county hasn't been awarded $64 million like your website states.

    That FACT can be easily proven. Go to the GOVERNMENT website below and type in the zip code of any city in Marshall County and it will tell you the exact total awarded in that city, who got the money, and how much they received.

    Add up the total amounts for each city and it doesn't come anywhere close to $64 million.

    It's very telling about you that when u chose to research this particular topic you didn't choose to go to a government website which publishes the information openly.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 9:56 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Better yet CBS go to this website and it will give you the break down and all the info without having to look very far

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 9:53 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS It is you that is pulling numbers out your posterior. The total for Marshall County, Guntersville, Albertville, Boaz, etc was over $60 million dollars not $6 million. Most of the money went to the schools, with very little of the total amount going to small businesses.

    Go to the same website you posted and look around a little and it will give you the per capita for any county you are looking for also you might want to go back and see how much Huntsville got and what Madison County got. Way more than what you posted.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 9:12 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Tom do you know anything about.... well anything? Please tell us how the coal companies took their coal outside of the country to make their money. If anything they were pushed out.

    If you read the news you will see that hundreds of coal miners were laid off because the costs of coal burning regulations won't let the mines stay in business. The same was true for many steel mills; although they have rebounded.

    As for taxes lets see. In West Virginia, coal companies pay over 2/3 of the business tax for the whole state. The coal industry payroll is over $2 billion annually.Coal production adds $3.5 billion to the state's GDP per year. More than half of the nation's electricity is generated by coal.

    So Tom please tell us again how they are taking it all overseas and how they aren't paying taxes.

    Get a clue!!!!!

  • tomcryar posted at 8:24 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    leon, I wasn't going to respond until I read your last post. You wrote: "You and Obama ideals disgust me !" I wonder, if you have EVER considered that our regulations, and taxes have PREVENTED people from getting sick, due to negligence on the part of the chinese, and if you know your facts, which is obviously a shortcoming, on your part, you will know that the corporations who had the steel, textile, and coal industries wrapped up, chose to take their business OUTSIDE of the US, reaping billions in profits, but PAYING zero in taxes.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 7:10 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Hey CBS dont look now but you just contridicted yourself.

    You said "They cry about fiscal conservatism yet are some of the first to hold their hand out when it comes to the funds available through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act"

    Then you said ".think about the fact that various organizations have to APPLY for the funds"

    Well Einstein which is it did they have their hands out or did they not apply for the funds. I guess in your mind you can never be wrong but there it is. Your posts you figure it out.

  • Leon posted at 7:00 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    So cbs, your bottom line is - that government creates job? No, the government destroys jobs by, regulations, controls, and taxes. What happened to all the steel companies in B'Ham, coal companies in Jefferson and Walker counties, and now the aero space research in Huntsville ? All left because of regulations and cuts of the military and space research. The best thing government can do is stay out of our lives and business. Hand outs only last for a little while, then have to give again. But, that is what liberal Democrats think, money is always there !! If that is so why get money out of the ATF ? Why raise taxes ? You and Obama ideals disgust me !

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:56 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Oh and P.S. Mike, did you ever stop to think about the fact that various organizations have to APPLY for the funds?????? Did it ever occur to you that other counties simply had more applicants???

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:49 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, " If the government spend $600 per person in our county and $1400 per person in every other county then we are getting the short end of the stick. "

    Um no again you are wrong, the city of Huntsville received 43 million that comes out to $238 per person for their population.

    Marshall county received over 6 million, given our population that comes out to $64 per person.

    I now know for sure you are pulling these numbers out your backside and just making stuff up.

    Wrong again on how many corporations we have here so allow me to name all of the factories around here that I can think of off the top of my head at 10:30 in the morning. If I miss any anyone else is more than welcome to list some as well.

    Hutamaki, Ts Tech(Owned by Honda), Progress Rail Services, a subsidiary of Caterpillar, Paragon, Mueller, Tysons, Pilgrims Pride, Walmart(2 of them), Umicore, BAE Systems, Sandvik, Wayne Farms, Alatrade, Kappler, Parker-Hannifin, and both hospitals, 99% of the nursing homes, plus pretty much every home health agency operating in Marshall county are corporate owned and operated.

    Also as it pertains to franchises, yes for some of they were invested in by a small business investor, but they don't employ near as many people as manufacturing places or even 1 single wal-mart.

    It's also rather telling about your mentality Mike that you consider someone owning a taco bell or KFC being a job creator, when in truth the only people they employ is basically a bunch of teenagers who just work to maybe make a car payment and some gas money.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 10:11 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS Boaz
    Again where to start. First do you know what per capita means? Obviously you don't. It means per person. If the government spend $600 per person in our county and $1400 per person in every other county then we are getting the short end of the stick. So no, the people of Marshall were not the ones with their hands out getting all that wasted stimulus money.

    For the second part, I don't have to stroll all I needed to do was look at the Marshall County Economic Development website and I see approx 8500 people in Boaz, Albertville, and Guntersville employed by the 8 biggest corporations such as Tysons, Pilgrims Pride, or Muellers etc.

    But then if you look further almost all of the other industries, and shops, and fast food places are owned by a small business operator.

    CBS do you have a clue what a franchise is? Almost every fast food place that you see is a franchise bought and owned by a small business person so that they would have a source of income while providing jobs for others. So that KFC, Pizza Hut, or Taco Bell might be part of the YUM Company brand but all of them were paid for by a person that bought or built a building, bought a franchise, hired workers and then provided a service to their customers.

    So now do a little homework; go look up per capita and look up franchise and you will see that in both cases you are absolutely wrong.

  • Buffalo posted at 9:31 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Anyone that is so asinine to think that tax cuts for the wealthy actually create jobs should re-visit history. Look what happened during the Bush years; how’s that working for you? The proof is in the pudding. Democrats rule and so do the working people of this country. Organized labor is making a comeback. [beam]

  • cbsboaz posted at 6:27 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, "the state still received less per capita then the U.S. average and the county received less than half as much as the rest of Alabama per capita."

    Um did you honestly not take into freaking consideration that this state as well as this county has much less of population compared with other states in the country or counties in the state???

    It's proportional.

    I also very much think you are high when it comes to who the real job creators are. Why don't you take a stroll through the industrial park, or up hwy 431 and tell me exactly how many businesses/factories you see that are corporate owned.

    Go ahead get in your car and take a shot at it I would love to know what you come up with.

    Also keep in mind that every Pizza Hut and Taco bell you see are all owned by the same company. The same company also owns KFC. Just for the record how many of those are there in this county??? All owned by the same company.

    Both hospitals in this county are owned and operated by the same company.


    So please explain to me where you come up with this garbage about small business owners being the real drivers of the economy.

    Because everywhere I go all I see is for the most part national franchises, car dealerships franchised out by corporate car brands, and pretty much almost everything you look at a corporation has more final say over how that business is run than the franchisee.

    I can assure you that there are at minimum 10 times more jobs in this county under corporate brands than local home grown business owners.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 5:51 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    The truth still remains that small business owners are the real drivers of the economy and the real creators of jobs. Obama even said it back in 2008 when he begged for the stimulus to pass but then only set aside token amounts for small businesses

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 5:49 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Well lets look at your figure of 6 million dollars thats about 58 million less than the county actually received also the state still received less per capita then the U.S. average and the county received less than half as much as the rest of Alabama per capita.

  • cbsboaz posted at 4:28 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mike, "Alabama received over $3.5 billion dollars".

    It's always amusing to see how much you don't do your homework.

    Actually no it's been much more than that, the actual amount is $5,397,803,466.

    With a total of $5,801,053,321 funds available.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 2:08 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    By the way CBS, I believe the author was talking about small businesses, I don't think the Lee Jeans Company was a small business, do you? I also don't think a Doctor could somehow ship his or her jobs overseas, do you? How about the owners of the fast food restaurants or the bakeries or...... kind of hard to ship their jobs overseas and still sell or do work in the U.S don't you think?

    The fact is the people that create small businesses are the major job creators in the U.S. Most of them worked their butts off to create their businesses and yea regardless of what Obama said THEY DID BUILD THAT.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 1:39 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    CBS, Marshall County actually received a lot more than that. However Marshall County received $696 per capita which was less than half of what the rest of Alabama received. As for Alabama their average per capita was $1421 which was over $200 less per capita than the rest of the U.S. So to claim that anyone here was the first to have their hands out is ridiculous.

    Alabama received over $3.5 billion dollars with only 2153 jobs created. That comes out to a cost to the tax payers of $1,637479.00 per job. In other words what our state spends on it's entire statewide budget to pay all the state workers and keep everything running, Obama and the Dems wasted in one fell swoop.

    Government money is not free and someone has to pay for it. Unfortunately the current Administration thinks you do that by taxing the people that create the jobs at a higher level.

    Government redistribution doesn't work, look at Greece and several of the other countries in Europe who are needing bail out after bail out to keep running. This is exactly the system that Obama favors.

    The stimulus was a huge waste of money with very few jobs created for the money. It just puts the country further and further in debt with nothing to show for it.

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:14 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Oh and P.S. Snead State received over $700,000 of that 6 million so that's how they could afford to renovate the administration building.

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:13 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Youngpupster, "Where has diehard conservatism gotten Marshall County over the last decade? "

    I can answer that question fully! It has gotten them to be just as they always are, hypocrites only.

    They cry about fiscal conservatism yet are some of the first to hold their hand out when it comes to the funds available through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act.

    Boaz, Albertville, Guntersville, and Arab combined received over $6 million dollars due to Obama and the Democrat Congress's piece of legislation.

  • youngpupster posted at 8:47 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    youngpupster Posts: 147

    I like how the letter starts off with "liberal" friend, like that is a bad thing. Where has diehard conservatism gotten Marshall County over the last decade? A place with no new jobs and a brain drain of young people going off to college to get educations and rarely coming back.

    How about even though these people may create jobs, the loss of tax revenue leads to inferior schools and other government services? When situations like this happen, our state has to move hundreds of millions of dollars from one "trust fund" to the general budget to keep our state fiscally afloat. Just wait til all that trust fund money runs out....then we're in for it. When will Marshall County wake up and realize that the legislators they they are electing for the good of their districts are ruining not just their own county, but the state as well?

  • tomcryar posted at 12:41 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    cbs, you're fighting a losing battle trying to convince so-called Americans like Don Sanders that the republicans create any jobs. Their sole purpose is to bring down the US, and make us dependent on other countries, and people like don, the author, have no dam clue as to what real working "You can be assured that for every person out there making from $211k to $2.2 million (their numbers), there are from 10-200 or more jobs that they create, very few exceptions. You do the math.Americans do......." Those are his words...I would like to ask don to please provide the math that he says is true, and to back up his statement.

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:16 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    And people wonder why wages around here are garbage. Too busy waiting to get the scraps of these so called "job creators" who would ship your job overseas in a minute if they knew they could make more money doing it.

    Or did the author of this letter forget where the Lee Plant went years ago??

    Start taxing imports made in other countries by American owned companies on an obscene level and see how many of those companies start bringing jobs back here.