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ACLU expected to challenge state immigration law

Rich calls argument ‘ridiculous,’ ‘idiotic’

Posted: Monday, June 6, 2011 3:42 pm

The American Civil Liberties Union blasted the immigration bill passed Thursday by the Alabama Legislature, calling it "discriminatory" and "extreme," and announced plans to challenge it in court.

"It's an outrageous throwback to the pre-civil rights era, and we call on Governor (Robert) Bentley to veto this deeply misguided bill," Cecillia Wang, director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project, told The Associated Press. "The Alabama Legislature has invited rank discrimination into people's everyday lives."

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  • TerryN posted at 8:28 am on Mon, Jun 20, 2011.

    TerryN Posts: 290

    The ACLU also defended closed.

    I have no need for a group with that radical of interpretations of the U.S. speech my a**. There are limits to free speech, and while there may be a grey area sometimes; other times it should be painfully black and white.

  • Buffalo posted at 1:12 pm on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    The ACLU defended Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, maybe Voice should read more often instead of watching foxy news.

  • VoiceOfReason posted at 12:22 am on Fri, Jun 17, 2011.

    VoiceOfReason Posts: 160

    ACLU - American Criminal Lovers Union.

    Their motto: We hate Christians and white people.


  • abc123 posted at 6:07 pm on Sun, Jun 12, 2011.

    abc123 Posts: 126

    Who's Paris Hilton? Did he build mud mounds too?

  • Buffalo posted at 7:18 am on Sun, Jun 12, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    That’s actually funny abc123. Where do you get your information, Paris Hiltons blog? Denying America’s holocaust is denying America’s history. Please, please joke about slavery next and show more of your true colored ignorance.

  • abc123 posted at 1:52 pm on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.

    abc123 Posts: 126

    I am Caucasian. My ancestors came from Europe. I was born in America, therefore by definition I am a Native American. Of course I would not be considered “Native American” by the traditional meaning of the word since my ancestors were not of the indigenous people Columbus encountered in 1492.

    Native American is a term that has come to describe the cultures of such people as the Mayas, Aztecs, Cherokee, Creek, Apache, Crow, etc. They were (are) very resourceful and successful societies. They were on this continent first, BUT they did not begin here. They migrated to this continent the same as everyone else.

    The difference is - European settlers and there decendents built skyscrapers and went to the moon. “Native American” settlers built mud mounds.

    This country has been blessed. Be honest, where would we be without mud mounds?

  • Buffalo posted at 12:37 pm on Sat, Jun 11, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    I was just asking a question tomcryier?

  • tomcryar posted at 7:58 pm on Fri, Jun 10, 2011.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    buffalo, I learned to ignore you. Go troll somewhere else.

  • Buffalo posted at 10:30 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Wow Tom, how do you know? To whom do you report? What happens? How long does it take?

  • tomcryar posted at 8:55 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    This is a huge problem, and it won't be solved by arguing in a comment section. People like "100%" are definitely part of the PROBLEM, and not the SOLUTION, when they say that it's OK to come here illegally, and steal peoples' identity and live and work, and then send most of their money back to Mexico, or Honduras, or Guatemala.
    I personally report everyone that I know is illegal. And "100%", your tired old arguments fall on deaf ears with me, so don't even bother replying.

  • Buffalo posted at 2:18 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    FYI I am native American. abc you’re here just as illegally as anyone. I say we take white trash wing nuts and throw them over the border into Juarez and let hard working people with real ethics into my country. [rolleyes]

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 12:33 pm on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    abc123- Who you are in this world don't matter. What matters is what is in your heart. This world will come and go, but when I die I know in whom I have believed. The might Jesus Christ!!! Hope to see you there in Heaven... May God Bless You....

    I meant to offense to any of the comments. I am just exercising my rights of Freedom of Speech. Something I had fought for and have rights to.

  • abc123 posted at 11:09 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    abc123 Posts: 126

    100 percent Mexican and What: I said my ancestors CAME to this continent in 1695. I can TRACE them much further back than that (you seem to think a person’s history begins when they get to this country).

    Also, BE CAREFUL agreeing with Buffalo. Buffalo has ZERO authority to engage in a civil political debate. He called me:

    an idiot, right wing nut job, useless piece of garbage, lover of Reagan, silver spoon fed kid, one of the chosen few, backward thinking, never seen the inner city where hope is lost, waiting the day off colored Americans (whatever that means), never had to work for a living, thinks he should be rich and rule, intentions to break unions, trying to strip colored Americans of their human rights, republican, ignorant WASP, fat pig in the ground!


    I printed his comment and framed it. It reaffirms my beliefs. Buffalo is one of the best things we conservatives have going for us. “100 percent Mexican and What” is following Buffalo down the same dead end path of self pity and playing the victim card. That approach is one of the best tools we conservatives have.

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 10:19 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    abc123- I am so happy that you can trace your ancestry all the way to 1695.

    Buffalo- You are so right!!!

    Lets bring this new law in to effect. Hopefully they go at it at 110%.
    We will later see the cause and effects of this law. We can go endless about what you think and what I think for ever. Have a great day!!!

  • abc123 posted at 8:48 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    abc123 Posts: 126

    My ancestors came to this continent in 1695. They broke no laws but were forced to go to the southern (less desirable at that time) colonies because they were not from England.

    My relatives have never killed a native-American. (Native-Americans seem to be doing O.K. now with government allowed casinos).

    In the 1700’s and 1800’s my family was among the 95% of southerners that did not own slaves. We were sharecroppers that worked the fields for the owner.

    Comparing today’s illegals to African-Americans of the 1960’s is a false premise because in the 1960’s both blacks and whites were here legally. Blacks broke no laws by being here. They had a legitimate complaint. People that have come here illegally DO NOT have a legitimate complaint - they are in violation of American law (24/7).

    Businesses depend on illegals because they are being allowed to break the law. If the law was enforced consistently, ALL businesses would use legal residents ONLY and there would be no competitive advantage. Problem solved.

    Funding would not be a problem if people knew the money was going to be used for immigration law enforcement (ONLY). Problem solved.

    The legislators that passed the new immigration law were LEGALLY ELECTED by a majority of citizens based on their proposals. They’re keeping a promise. That’s admirable.

    We are a civilization based on respect for law. “Illegal” means something:

    “Illegal”: –adjective [ih-lee-guh l]
    forbidden by law or statute.
    contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.:


  • Buffalo posted at 1:31 am on Thu, Jun 9, 2011.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    A pure political issue; there is no funding to enforce the legislation; law enforcement is already dramatically underfunded. Too many business’ depend on the Hispanic culture to survive, not excluding a recent elected official, Mr. Long who’s many business account for a large illegal population in which his rental properties thrive. Fun and games for the right wing nut jobbers, States rights respected however. [whistling]

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 11:58 pm on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    abc123- What are you talking about? The mass European migration to this country was from 1892 to 1954 (Ellis Island). In the 1700's there was another mas of Europeans that came into the North American continent. This Europeans where the birth of what now call the United States of America now. This Europeans came into this Land we now called America. They killed thousands and thousands of Native American Indians from men, women and children. Then though it was nice to moved them away from their land into a Reservation. Not only that but the American people (Caucasians) had slaves from the 1700's all the way to 1865. Even then full blown racism continued all the way into the 1970's. Even know we still see it. That is so sad. Like I said in an earlier comment. All of this will come back to hunt this country. The wrath of God will take care of that. It's been seen all ready.

    Don't get me wrong. We do have a large illegal immigration problem. I am not against this new law, but we also need a combination of some path for residency or Citizenship for a 30 to 40 percent of this illegals.

    My life story will make you mad and amaze you. I am a testimony of someone who was given a chance in this great Country we call the United States. There are many more out there. God Bless You!!!

  • abc123 posted at 9:45 pm on Wed, Jun 8, 2011.

    abc123 Posts: 126

    “Illegal” means “AGAINST THE LAW”. People that are in this country illegally are BREAKING THE LAW. They should be deported because THAT’S THE LAW. Their families should not be divided. People being deported should take their children with them. Their children are THEIR responsibility, NOT the taxpayers. There is NO LAW that says people that are born here have to stay here.

    Saying we can’t deport ANY illegals because it’s impossible to deport all 20 million of them is a trick. Example: 20 people rob a bank. We catch one of them and 19 get away. What do we do with the one we caught? (A)- try him for bank robbery, or (B) – release him because we couldn’t catch all 20?

    This country was NOT built by illegal immigrants. During the mass European migration to this country of the 1700’s and 1800’s, there were NO LAWS against their coming here.

    If we don’t have the courage and intelligence to ENFORCE OUR LAWS then our LAWS WILL HAVE NO EFFECT - on anyone.

    P.S. - People who believe amnesty ever works are fools. That’s a matter of history.

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 11:54 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    TerryN- I totally agree that there is a large problem in this country. Illegal immigrants is just one of many. I totally agree with deporting the criminals (anyone that has been charge with an arrestable offense). I know that within the illegal community there is a large number of them using stolen identities.
    I think you hit the ball out of the ball park with your second paragraph. That is what we need in combination with this new law. But not just the new law by itself.
    TerryN’s second paragraph - “I know lots of illegals work and pay into taxes and that is wonderful. I wish them luck. I want them to become citizens. Let's figure out how to do that by drawing a line in the sand and allowing those here to become citizens, those that choose to take this path to citizenship should be allowed to. Those that choose not to should be removed/punished for crimes they've committed (no arguing that a crime was committed).”
    And yes TerryN the welfare system and the disability system needs to be recheck. There are too many abusing this systems.
    Bartlebee- Amnesty is not going to solve the problem. You are right about that. At the same time you think you going to deport them all. I would love to see that. It is impossible. There is a large generation of children born from illegal immigrants that are U.S. Citizens. We can’t just treat them like they don’t matter. They are part of the next generation here in the United States of America. How they get treated might affect the way of our future in this country. We will see that in the coming decades if the Lord permits.
    Countyboy47- I never said I had a problem showing my driver license, state I.D., military I.D., or my veterans I.D. card. I have no problem showing that to local law enforcement. The problem I have is showing my Naturalization Certificate. Immigration Custom Enforcement will only see that. You think I am going to carry a 8X11.5 paper with me at all times to show that I am a Citizen of this country. If that is the case everyone that was born in the United States should carry their birth Certificates. Oh, by the way. Thank you for serving!!! I love talking to your generation.

  • levotb posted at 6:47 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    levotb Posts: 1

    The ACLU (American Criminal Lawyers Union) is famous for its frivolous lawsuits. The states being sued should ask the courts where these suits are being heard to not only decide in the People's favor, but to force that leftist org to pay their attorney's fees and court fees. It's the only way they'll learn. They may never learn, however. Those coveting awbreakers rarely do.

  • countryboy47 posted at 5:50 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    countryboy47 Posts: 36

    100 percent mexican as a Vietnam veteran who served during the war I have no problem showing my ID when stopped as you will when when the police ask for Drivers you show it or go to jail as any other person will they could care less about your wounds. If you come to america you obey our immigration laws are get deported .

  • bartlebee posted at 3:55 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    bartlebee Posts: 2

    Congress passed a major amnesty back in 1986. The illegal immigration problem is 10 times worse today. Amnesties don't solve the problem of illegal immigration. In fact, amnesties perpetuate the problem of illegal immigration. We need to learn from our past mistakes and not repeat those mistakes.

  • bartlebee posted at 3:52 pm on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    bartlebee Posts: 2

    TerryN: There is plain ol' white trash, plain ol' black trash, plain ol' Hispanic trash, and plain ol' Asian trash that think they're too good to get cleaned up and apply for a job at Burger King and would rather collect benefits off of the working class.

  • TerryN posted at 9:07 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    TerryN Posts: 290

    Meant to add below - Trust me - I get more ticked off when I'm behind a family of white trash meth head couple using their food stamps and WIC money to purchase name brand goods while I must use my earned money to budget and purchase store brand or go without completely.

    I guess my rants here are more about the injustice and improper policies of the government entitlement programs than anything else. LOL

  • TerryN posted at 9:03 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    TerryN Posts: 290

    100 percent -

    Hopefully we can agree there is a problem. Too many people drain the system. Too many people pulling food stamps, WIC, and welfare type benefits without putting into the system. Lots of these are illegal aliens (yes, I have had several show me their stolen identities in the form of multiple SSN cards, drivers license, etc. so I KNOW they are out there) and lots of them are plain ol' white trash that think they are too good to get cleaned up and apply for a job at Burger King and would rather collect benefits off of the working class.

    I know lots of illegals work and pay into taxes and that is wonderful. I wish them luck. I want them to become citizens. Let's figure out how to do that by drawing a line in the sand and allowing those here to become citizens, those that choose to take this path to citizenship should be allowed to. Those that choose not to should be removed/punished for crimes they've committed (no arguing that a crime was committed).

    What I see here is a lot of complaining about how "the man" is trying to bring down the lives of illegals, but what I never see is an alternative solution.

    If you wish to be a voice for your friends/family then be one and offer us a real workable solution right here and now. Otherwise I see the one proposed as being pretty fair. To say that it shouldn't be in effect just because someone may leave their wallet at home is ridiculous.

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 8:31 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    Countryboy47- If you don't know. Of course you don't know. The certificate receipt card issued to us is very precious and it will stay safe and secure at all times, but never with us. I will show law enforcement my driver license or state I.D. How about my military I.D. or my Veterans card. No no no let me show them my war wounds. If they don't like that so be it. There are lost of legal Aliens that have sacrifice lots more for this great country than a full blown breathed American. I have live through it. I have seen it. I will continue to serve this country and maybe die for in the line of duty, but I would never carry my certificate of receipt card that was issued to me.

  • countryboy47 posted at 5:09 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    countryboy47 Posts: 36

    Correction Title 8 Section 1325 US Code. "illeal entry into the United States without documentation."

  • countryboy47 posted at 5:04 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    countryboy47 Posts: 36

    Hey 100 percent mexican read the law. Title 8 Section 1324 US Code "Illegal entry without documentation. Title 8 Section 1644 US Code"Nothwithstanding any other provision of federal,state,or local law, no state or local government entity may be prohibted,or in any way restricted,from sending to or receiving from the immigration service (ICE) information regarding the immigration status,lawful or unlawful of an alien in the United States. Title 8 Section 1304 US Code every alien eighteen years age and over,shall at all times carry with him and have in his possession any certificate receipt card issued to him." Also the ACLU is breaking the law under Title 8 Section 1324 US Code"aiding,abetting,encouraging,harboring,transporting,and hiring illegals is a felony. The United States Constitution forbids foreign citizens and foreign countries frim suing our states. Amendment Xl "The judicial power of the United Stares shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity,commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state,or by citizens or subjects of any foreign state.

  • 100 percent Mexican and What posted at 12:38 am on Tue, Jun 7, 2011.

    100 percent Mexican and What Posts: 13

    "Rich said the Alabama Legislature passed the bill because of the numerous socio-economic problems caused by illegal immigration. "

    Now! Rich, What you trying to say with the above comment is that the problem that your fathers father started has gone out of control. Of course it has. Now you going to blame it on the illegal immigrants. Yeah, back 40 years ago. Everything was fine and dandy. They would pay an illegal immigrant some change to work in the fields to do the hard intense jobs that the American people did not wanted to do. Everything was prosperous back then, so illegals were ok. Now that everything has gone down the drain. Now, we have a problem.

    KMart1968- Well let me guess? You have never gotten your wallet at home? Lets put an example: I am going to say by your nice paragraph that you are a pretty smart person. So you know your social security number by hard and you understand the English language very well. If you get pulled over by a police officer, they would be able to check very quickly your identity I would believe. Forgetting your wallet would not be a problem at all. Here is the problem. We have legal Citizens and Residence in this Country that can't speak or read the English language. This people through out the years have had the great opportunity to earn their Residency Papers and Naturalization Certificate. Most of them are older people who have never ever had any sort of education. They can't read or write. Some have and can only barely master the Spanish language. You, might say. Well if they want to stay in the Unite State, we should make them learn English. It is easier said than done. I know you have heard of that phrase before. They work hard to support there family and might not have time to learn another language, and some are just to old to learn and retain what they have learned. Now here comes the the question. Some of this people for the grace of God, they have obtain a driver license. They get stopped by a police officer. This person might have forgotten their driver license at home. It happens. We are all human. He was blessed with a first name, middle name, last name and a second last name. The person gives the officer his his first and last name only not intending to miss guide the officer. The police comes back with nothing on file, or maybe the person gives the officer his full name. But the officer because of the close of the ignorance to the cultures and how the names are, he places the wrong name in the wrong spot. It comes back no identity. Wow!!! we are all human. It happens. There is a language barrier and they can't communicate very well. Now, What do we do with this person? Do we arrest him? or what? Think about it!!! I am hearing a Lawsuit if an arrest happens.......

    Kmart1968- also read my other comment on the previous article.

  • KMART1968 posted at 9:12 pm on Mon, Jun 6, 2011.

    KMART1968 Posts: 11

    I totally agree. No fuss. If you are here legally you should not be offended. Check their papers. Us American people that are born and bred here are expected to show ID and proof of insurance so what is the problem? If you are here legally you should not have a problem with the new law. Only the illegals cry and whine when something is put in place. Do it like the rest of us had to. Show your proof of ID. If you are legal there should be no problem. I don't see an issue here.