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Wet/dry vote is back in Boaz

Posted: Friday, September 21, 2012 4:44 pm | Updated: 3:25 pm, Thu Sep 27, 2012.

A group of citizens claim Boaz has experienced all the problems associated with legal alcohol sales in towns surrounding the city but doesn’t receive any of the benefits, such as tax revenue or new, upscale restaurants.

That’s why they have given Boaz city officials a petition seeking a wet/dry vote be placed on the Nov. 6 ballot.

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  • aggieforever posted at 12:47 am on Fri, Oct 5, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Oldschool,Odis knows who you are. Odis knows everything!!!! Cbs, Odis knew your great great grandfather!!!!! Odis knows everything!!!! Romney and Obama both wanted Odis as there vice president

  • John Thompson posted at 7:40 am on Thu, Oct 4, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Chris, unlike you and me, people actually care about Aggie and his post.
    I do know you and I also knew your grand father well, but in the big scope of things, you along with me are not important.

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:15 pm on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    John, "Aggie, you'd be surprised how many people ask me about your post but what really blows them away is when I tell them who you really are."

    Good to know that apparently you and people you know don't have anything better to do than to discuss what is said on a newspaper comment section in po dunk Alabama.

    Also, I'm willing to bet nobody you know is actually asking you about what someone says on here so please stop trying to make it seem like that, because I honestly can't imagine anyone's life being that uninteresting.

  • aggieforever posted at 12:27 am on Wed, Oct 3, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Oldschool "odis" knows everything!!! I don't know that's a good thang...wink wink[wink]

  • OldSchooL posted at 12:49 pm on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    tell us john b

  • John Thompson posted at 8:01 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Aggie, you'd be surprised how many people ask me about your post but what really blows them away is when I tell them who you really are.

  • aggieforever posted at 1:21 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Odis 6000 registered voters and how many signed the petition!!! Looking forward to the billboard with yours and james "Otto" Watkins picture ,what a sight that will be.[sad]

  • rebelpride666 posted at 12:42 am on Tue, Oct 2, 2012.

    rebelpride666 Posts: 9

    vote for obama hope he wins. for of all you racist "devoted" cristians.

  • tomcryar posted at 11:49 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    John, out of those 6000, how many will actually vote? There are alot more people who can make a difference, if only there was a way to reach them.....

  • John Thompson posted at 9:00 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    With 6000 registered voters in the city of Boaz, the "no" voters will again decide this election.
    The "no" voters of course are the ones who do not vote at all.
    CBS, I know you live outside the city limits but I'm sure you spend a large portion of you earnings in Boaz, so stress to everyone you know who is a registered voter in the Boaz city limits the importance of this election and Proud Christian you do the same.
    After the last wet/dry election a city employee was quoted in the SMR as saying "this just shows that a lot of people still go to church in this town".
    It showed me that a lot of people did not care enough about this town to even take a few minutes to vote.
    Proud Christian, I promise you, if we can get a 50% turn out, that's 3000 voters, and the dry side wins, you will never hear from me on this issue again.

  • Proud Christian posted at 6:26 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    @OldSchool - I stated my reason for not wanting Boaz to go wet - my religious convictions. So yes, my opinion was on the wet/dry vote and it ran from there.

    @cbs - 1st of all, I will submit nothing to get into Heaven. I made that decision when I was 18 years old and asked Jesus to save my soul. No resume needed and no begging necessary. My salvation is a done deal. The life I live will be questioned by God when I get to heaven. He is the only one I have to answer to.

    Many people that don't go to church have bad or wrong attitudes against the people that do go to church. I am sure some of these reasons are valid. But that is no reason to lump every christian into one "bad" category. I was stating my opinion and answering questions that had been posed to me. I don't feel I am better than anyone and more "christian" than anyone. I am a sinner saved by grace. It still amazes me that everyone else can have an opinion until someone brings in a biblical view - then everyone gets all upset and yells "constitution" and "pharisee." May God have mercy on the world. We're going to need it!!

  • cbsboaz posted at 6:03 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    This kinda resolves my thoughts on the issue Proud Christian.

    "He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others. "Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

    — Luke 18:9-14

    I'm willing to bet if you ask the average American which one of those two types of christians they think churchgoers are they will say the first type. Which is why the religious right in this country for decades has been trying to make laws based on their faith.

    Because they are actually arrogant enough to think they are above other people when it comes to certain things they consider "sinful".

    I think it's kinda obvious in this country that when most churchgoing christians die they will probably try to submit a resume to the almighty to get into heaven as opposed to being on their knees begging for forgiveness.

  • OldSchooL posted at 6:01 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    proud christian this article said wet/dry vote back. how come it turned into a bible lesson ? it did'nt say anything about church or the bible,it's about voting on the legal sale of alcohol in boaz

  • Leon posted at 6:00 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Thank you cbs, again you prove what a fool you are ! The Ten Commandments is not part of our God given rights, where in the US Constitution is that found ? Our God given rights were before the US Constitution was wrote. What a nut case !! Don't know what he's talking about, comparing the bible to the US Constitution, haha !! What a D...A.. !!

    Proud Christian, no wonder he gets confused, he goes from one thing to another !

  • Proud Christian posted at 4:07 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    @cbs - Did you copy and paste your post from previous disagreements we have had?? I told you my user name is because I am proud that I am a christian. And here you go again with women's right to vote. Go ahead, tell me how I should shut up and not speak and have my husband do everything for me. Talk about taking things out of context!!

    "Generally filled with ignorant bible thumpers who read the bible and interpret it in a very literal fashion instead of reading it in context. " Literal - following the words of the original very closely and exactly: Do you even know what you are talking about?

    So my reading the Bible, interpreting myself doesn't matter because I don't interpret it the way you do? If only you knew half as much as you think you do!! And, by the way, you didn't insult my intelligence. I would have to care what you think about me for that to happen!

  • cbsboaz posted at 3:37 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Ok time to just outright insult some peoples intelligence.

    Leon, "No doubt our rights comes from God, not man ! "

    Really Leon??? One of the Ten Commandments is to not kill, and last time I checked there isn't any exception to that rule in the bible so much to the point that Jesus and 11 of his disciples proved with their own actions that it is better to die a martyr than to live a hypocrite. So please tell me did our rights more come from God or the fact that we KILLED ALOT OF FREAKING BRITISH??????

    Proud Christian, "Have you ever read a Baptist Church Covenant? Do you have any idea what it says, or are you just against everything?"

    Yes I have, in fact I attended a baptist church and was married in one while I dated my wife. In fact, due to their ridiculous views and traditions I wasn't allowed to even dance with my own wife at our wedding reception. My parents took me to a baptist church when I was young. Baptist is the one specific denomination of faith I am most familiar with.

    Generally filled with ignorant bible thumpers who read the bible and interpret it in a very literal fashion instead of reading it in context.

    As to your other question I am against anything and everything that someone would outside of reading the bible for themselves, interpreting it for themselves, and living that faith in a private non-public manner.

    Take your username for example, last time I checked pride is likewise sinful.

    It's always an oxymoron to see women bad mouth liberal views considering it is because of progressive liberal views that women even have the right to vote in this country so that their opinions can even matter.

    Courtesy of the fact that almost 100 years ago some women stopped just thinking it was their duty to marry and be little baby factories and actually speak up and use their minds and advocate for a DEMOCRATIC president to lead the way in giving them to vote.

  • BoazRes posted at 2:28 pm on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    BoazRes Posts: 34

    I am a Christian. And I will vote wet. It doesn't make you a hipocrite to vote wet and be a christian. My child's education is worth the vote yes. I would like for one Christian to explain to me why it makes me a "bad" christian to vote wet? You can't set judgement. Catholicism drinks a sip of alcohol as communion. I beleive it is as individuals PERSONAL opinion. It is a city vote. I do not drink, therefore wet or dry makes no difference. It's a public affair. It has nothing to do with religion, ethnic background, addictions, being sober or not. The fact is, my kids will get a better education out of it. Boaz will be cleaned up and made beautiful by the revenue. It has the possiblity to bring in miccrobreweries for jobs. No one can tell me this makes me a "bad" Christian. I'm right with him and I know that is not wrong. What is wrong with going wet? I ask this to fellow Christians. Other than it will make Boaz "nasty", because its NOT. I will be honest, christians need to vote on their individual thoughts can relationship with him. Fingers cannot be pointed!! Judgement cannot be passed. No one is a "bad" Chiristian unless they feel that themselves, point blank, No christian has the right to call someone a "bad" Christian because of their own thought. People really need to stop the whole blasphomy.... If a Christian wants to vote dry, vote dry, if They want vote wet, they will vote wet.. without being judged!! its their relationship, no one person would go to a married couple and say," You oughta be ashamed, You didn't want to marry them." the Fact is, its that married couples decision who they marry. Its an individual's decision to vote what they want.

  • Proud Christian posted at 11:23 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    I totally agree, Leon. It's like he totally enjoys just being plain miserable. He never has anything good to say about anything. I have just as much freedom to voice my opinion as anyone. And if I choice to voice my opinion and it contains my religious beliefs, so be it. No one can keep me from voting my conscience - which is led by my religious beliefs. I don't think cbs has a conscience.

  • Proud Christian posted at 10:20 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    We worship together under a covenant: a statement on how we agree to live as a church. Our acceptance of this document follows the practice of believers throughout the centuries who have pledged to God and one another to live out the gospel in community. The church covenant consists of promises, a summary of expectations, an ethical statement, and biblical standards. Our covenant summarizes how we promise to live together in mutual accountability. It forms the ethics, or the moral principles, of our worldview and holds out a biblical standard by which we live. I don't expect you to understand this, cbs. Have you ever read a Baptist Church Covenant? Do you have any idea what it says, or are you just against everything? I know, you will blah, blah, blah, about something and never answer that question.

    I have never been placed in jail for my faith, as I have never been stoned for it. But, if you will look back at all my posts, I'm pretty sure you have responded to all of them to offer your own style of persecution. But, regardless, your opinion is your own and does not bother me one bit. When you post, "I'm about to have some fun, ya'll" it is evident you just want to argue for arguments sake. I feel sorry for people like you that look for all negatives (reasons to argue and put people down) in life. I hope you don't pass this trait on to the child you are expecting. A child should grow up in a loving and happy environment.

  • Leon posted at 10:11 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Proud Chirstian as you, I wondered when cbs would surface and state his liberial ideals ! He does not understand our first amendment rights, freedom of religion and freedom of speech. No doubt our rights comes from God, not man !

    Freedom of speech is one thing, but useage of your freedom should not be to offend others or advorcate hate speech. This shows disrepect, inconsideration, and bad upbringing when used this way. Makes one wonder where his values and teachings came from, both politics and religion ! Tying both together in a bad light is a bad idea ! Bad light is to misunderstand, in-case anyone wants to know.

  • cbsboaz posted at 9:32 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Well Proud Christian, as the old saying goes, "the first response is usually the most accurate and correct one".

    I'm pretty sure you actually meant to use the word vow. The fact that your church actually has a constitution is kinda evident to the fact. Because that would mean your church actually has a hand written document that governs how the church and its members should operate.

    Last time I checked that's what the bible was for, so thank you for proving my point that many churches tend to concoct things that are outside of bible.

    Also you may want to recheck the whole "we "devoted" christians have let our religious beliefs be run over for too long". Last time I checked the government doesn't tell you how you can practice your faith. It merely tells you that you can't legislate your faith into laws. That has been the case ever since the founding fathers wrote the FIRST SENTENCE to the 1st Amendment of the constitution.

    If you wish to live under religious tyranny I suggest you take a nice trip to one of the muslim countries where they do that very thing, and they will give you a true education in the term "religious persecution".

    Because unless you can say you've been thrown in jail for practicing your faith you need to SHUT UP trying to play the victim.

  • Proud Christian posted at 8:07 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    And, cbs, by understanding the church covenant, I mean by actually attending and having it explained to you - not your warped sense of understanding.

  • Proud Christian posted at 8:06 am on Mon, Oct 1, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    @Leon - I agree that we are to obey man's laws as well as God's laws. I do believe God's laws take precedence over man's laws.

    @rebelpride666 - The problem with the world today is we "devoted" christians have let our religious beliefs be run over for too long. The wet/dry is a personal issue. You base yours on whatever you believe, I and will base mine on whatever I believe.

    @cbs - I was wondering when your arrogant, church hating opinion would surface. You understand nothing about me or my church, or more importantly the church covenant. Maybe my choice of "vow" was the wrong word. However, whatever word I chose, you would turn it and run with it. Your only objective here is to run down the church and anybody you can. The vows I have made with God are personal - and I would never publicize them here (especially for you to make fun of them). Your choice of the words "freaking BIBLE" tell me exactly how much honor you place on the word of God. Until you totally understand the true meaning of a church covenant - do not attempt to tear me or my church down.

  • rebelpride666 posted at 6:20 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    rebelpride666 Posts: 9

    Please can we keep religion out of all this!...we all have a choice if we want to have a drink.Its our personal decision. There is nothing in the bible that says dont drink. Please all u "devoted" Cristians stay out. Keep your religious sermons for your pastor..We the people need to start making our own decisions not letting all this religious nutheads make our own

  • cbsboaz posted at 4:50 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Oh and P.S., the only covenant you should have is a covenant with God Almighty.

    Any other covenant of any other form other than that I would think kinda falls into the category of breaking one of the ten commandments by not having any other God's except him.

    Personally I view churches in the same manner as the parable of "someone trying to serve two masters at the same time". Not possible to serve God and an institution of any form.

  • cbsboaz posted at 4:45 pm on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    I'm about to have some fun ya'll, so for the overly sensitive individuals cover your eyes.

    Proud Christian, "Some of us believe that drinking is a moral choice. We also adhere to our church constitution that "we shall abstain from the sale, purchase, and consumption of alcohol."

    First of all, drinking is not a moral choice, there's nothing moral about it, only the excess of it is sinful, Jesus Chris drank alcohol so maybe you and your church should stop trying to have a moral compass higher than that of Jesus Christ. Come down off your pedestal and have a glass of wine at least.

    Proud Christian, "As I have stated before, our church covenant states we will abstain from the sale, purchase, or consumption of alcohol. Based on my christians beliefs, I belief it is better to stay away from alcohol. Based upon on my vow to my church, I will not support the wet issue. You will have to be more specific on the clothing issue for me to answer."

    The above statement clearly proves what I've said all along about you. You need to separate the difference between what the bible teaches and what your church tends to bastardize and teach. Also, the fact that you actually took a vow to a freaking institution instead of God kinda proves that you worship the institution of church more than anything.

    Also, on an even higher note, the shear fact that any organization of christian faith that would actually have the audacity to write down a constitution that in any of it's members eyes obviously has more sway among it's members than the freaking BIBLE, kinda makes said church fall into the realm of CULT.

    Thank you for proving what I've spent months on here from time to time talking about that churches preach, interpret, and do things that glorify and benefit their own various institutions and not God.

  • Leon posted at 10:29 am on Sun, Sep 30, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Proud Christian again, I believe you will agree that is what Matthew 22:21 tells you to do - obey goverments laws and God's laws. That encludes voting, what you think ?

  • aggieforever posted at 7:10 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Gudwar you work with John B Thompson at the city of Boaz

  • GUDWAR posted at 5:23 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    GUDWAR Posts: 508

    p.s. western sizzler coming to ryans soon

  • GUDWAR posted at 5:22 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    GUDWAR Posts: 508

    think of maters and those good better boy pizzas we once got. vote yes

  • John Thompson posted at 3:27 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Thanks Leon. I was not sure. Someone had told me they knew that he/she was a person of the cloth.

  • Leon posted at 1:49 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Proud Christian, true that the bible does not forbid drinking, only that do not become a drankard under Mosaic Laws. Also, to wear the proper clothing and make-up.
    And, you know it states, to obey the laws made by those appointed or choosen to rule over us. So, that tells me that I should take part in making those laws according to your beliefs, does not mean you should buy the alcohol, beer, or wine.

    John, Proud Christian is a lady !

  • John Thompson posted at 1:37 pm on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Boaz, it is my understanding that although the cost will be high, the aquatic center will be self supportive by means of membership dues and event rentals.
    Much the same as a YMCA is.
    There will always be C A V E people, citizens against virtually everything.
    It is also my understanding that the citizens of Boaz will not be on the hook for the price tag. A board of directors will over see it much the same way our school system and water board works.
    This is indeed a game changer that will bring in events and happenings to our city that will require restaurants and lodging.
    You build it, they'll come!

  • boaz resident posted at 11:01 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    I just read an article on here about the Mayor preparing to announce big plans for the outlets property, a "recreational" plan. The article mentioned fitness center, volleyball court(s), etc.. My questions would be -- at what cost? or better yet, at what cost to us, eventually? How much revenue do you think would actually be gained from it? Let's face it, and i'm not trying to put anyone down in anyway, just speaking of what anyone around here can physically see -- Many, if not most, residents around here, of all ages, are just not into physical fitness.
    I do whole heartedly like the idea of at least doing SOMETHING with the outlets. it's a shame driving around here, Albertville, Boaz, etc., and see all these empty store fronts and buildings, yet, every so often, where you see an old, empty, falling down building, someone is building another one for their business -- across the street or next to it. Why?! couldn't you just tear down the old building and put your new one where it was? it makes no sense. Anyway, I say all that to reach a point on this article --
    The way the city is now, is not good, financially, and even physically, in most parts. There's nothing here. There hasn't been for a long time. There are no attractions to bring people to visit from other places and spend money. There really isn't anything here to entice locals to spend money, either. If and when I go out to eat, I either go to Etowah, or I head towards Guntersville. The restaurants are somewhat better, and I enjoy having a beer or 3 with my meal, adding to that I just enjoy the atmosphere that comes with sitting at a bar. Those who have never done it, wouldn't know what I mean, and alot of them probably have this stereotype image in their heads of scruffy, unclean, mean, rowdy drunks sitting around power drinking shots and beers until they shouldn't even be allowed to leave let alone drive. There are a few of those in every place, all over the world, but if that's 1 out of 10, the other 9 need to be given a little more consideration than that. Okay, back to topic-- if this city went "wet", no one really knows what will happen 100%, there are many many factors in the mix -- how the city will regulate, or not regulate, where the tax revenue will actually go rather than where it's "claimed" to go, the type of establishments allowed in the city limits, fair cost offered to the establishment, rather than jacking up prices on their rent because they have alcohol(seen it happen many times, and that business usually doesn't stay long because they in turn have to raise prices on products, in turn people stop coming because they can't afford it, and finally, in turn the lights get shut off and the building becomes empty once again), etc.. It won't be a dramatic, immediate windfall for the city or any business right away. Could take months, years, or not at all. Being a Christian and having morals to stand for, I agree that you should not vote for, but no one was asking you to, as far as I know.... If you don't believe in it, then you should stand by what you do believe, just as the people who are for this, believe in the convenience, and the positive possibilities that could be reached with a yes vote. The way Albertville has handled their alcohol laws, is very antiquated, and they might as well still be dry. Let's face it around here, folks, unless you legalize and start taxing Meth and pill sales, the city cannot survive on Faith and Little lots annex 1-4 alone.

  • John Thompson posted at 10:57 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    That is a good answer sir and may I say spoken like a true Christian.

  • Proud Christian posted at 9:43 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    @Leon - The Bible does not say "Thou shalt not drink alcohol" but it does refer to the problems that alcohol can cause, as it does with several other issues. As I have stated before, our church covenant states we will abstain from the sale, purchase, or consumption of alcohol. Based on my christians beliefs, I belief it is better to stay away from alcohol. Based upon on my vow to my church, I will not support the wet issue. You will have to be more specific on the clothing issue for me to answer.

    Mr. Thompson, belonging to a church does not mean you are a christian. I don't know you well enough to answer that question. We can truly never know if someone is a christian (only them and God knows that). However, we should exhibit the qualities of a christian and "bear fruit" - that is how we show the world we are christian. If you have had a true salvation experience with Jesus Christ, you are a christian - doesn't matter what church you go to or belong to.

  • John Thompson posted at 8:30 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    WhyWhy, aggieforever, how many other screen names can you dust off to call someone a hypocrite?
    Not a very good political move!

    Proud Christian, this is off topic a bit, but I am curious, I belong to St. William Catholic Church.
    Do you consider me a Christian?

  • aggieforever posted at 6:51 am on Sat, Sep 29, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Odis look forward to seeing yours and James "Otto"Watkins picture on the billboard next week supporting the alcohol referendum

  • Buffalo posted at 7:35 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Pardon me while I bathe in the hypocrisy.[innocent]

  • Leon posted at 7:21 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    Proud Chirstian, I can understand why you would not vote for Boaz to "go wet" but, please answer me this question -where in the bible does it states not to drink ? In some places it states not to dress certain ways but, there are stores that sell those items. Should they be closed down ?

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:58 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    the wet- dry issue is going to be on the ballot to vote on nov. 6 which is legal. the people that want boaz to stay dry have the right to vote no, as well as the people who want it to go wet can vote yes. what is fair for the goose is fair for the gander, thats an old saying to. it's kind of funny that the church's defend the illegal hispanics and illegal is still illegal , but mention legal sells of whiskey and beer, they have a hissy fit. if you don't want to drink don't, that is your right. if you want boaz to stay dry vote no, that is also your right. but how about the people that do drink and want boaz to go wet ? don't they have rights to? i will be voting yes. and i will be over at mater's having a slice of pizza and washing it down with a cold beer maybe two cold beer's.

  • Proud Christian posted at 1:23 pm on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    @ Mr. Thompson - "If you truly feel that all acohol is sinful, then participating in the vote would be as sinful as the consumption of it." To me, not participating in the vote would be sinful, because then I am not standing up for what I believe. How you can say this is an economical issue and not a moral issue is beyond me. If I made a vow years ago to abstain from the sale, purchase, or consumption of alcohol, how could I support this for the economy and it not affect my morals? I know I made that vow for myself personally and not the City of Boaz, but doesn't that vow mean I am against the selling of alcohol? To me, it does.

    @ Mr. Lockwood, I, like you, do not believe Boaz will turn into Sodom and Gomorrah (well, anymore than the United States already is, anyway). If people want to drink, they are going to do it, no matter where they can get it. I am not one of those that preach everyone is going to h e l l if they don't do what I think is right. Boaz very well may go wet. But, it will not go wet because of my vote. Again, I can only vote my morals and convictions (as each person should do).

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 11:59 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Proud Christian

    I think that most of us that are for the wet vote do not want you to change your moral standards for this issue. I would also not advocate that you stay home and not vote as each legal resident here has the right to express their ideas.

    I think most of the posters here would rather that those that are for the wet vote get out and vote instead of sitting on the sidelines as they have in the past.

    On the other hand I have heard many people talk about how bad Boaz and the people therein will be if the wet vote passes. As if the residents will completely change into some stark raving wife beating, child abusing drunken lunatics and the city itself will rival Sodom or Gomorrah.

    That kind of talk would and should draw the ridicule of anyone with any sense at all.

  • John Thompson posted at 11:54 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Proud, most of us look at this as an economical issue and not a moral issue.
    For those of you who feel different, may I suggest you just not vote at all.
    There is no way you sin by not voting.
    If you truly feel that all acohol is sinful, then participating in the vote would be as sinful as the consumption of it.

  • Proud Christian posted at 10:31 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    Proud Christian Posts: 156

    Some of us believe that drinking is a moral choice. We also adhere to our church constitution that "we shall abstain from the sale, purchase, and consumption of alcohol." How can I vote for the City of Boaz to go wet, without going against my moral convictions? I can't. Which is more important to me, tax revenue or moral convictions? Moral convictions. Will I sell my moral convictions for a slice of Mater's Pizza? No.

    I'm sure some of you will say that you see the "moral" or "christians" drinking and buying alcohol & they try to hide it. I'm sure some do - but I can only speak for myself, and I do not partake of alcohol. I know you say I shouldn't make the choice for you. But, also, I shouldn't have to put up with your choices that I don't agree with.

    Just because the surrounding cities have chosen to go wet, does not by any means state that Boaz should (according to my moral beliefs). It goes back to the old saying, "if all your friends were jumping off the bridge, would you jump too?"

    "Time to change with the times" - should I change my moral beliefs to "fit in" with today's standards? No. We have to stand firm on our beliefs. If more people would do this, the world would not be in the shape it is in now.

    Hopefully, this post will not draw the wrath of cbsboaz.......I'm not in the mood for him.

  • OldSchooL posted at 8:25 am on Fri, Sep 28, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    john b thompson must be correct when he mentioned the pizza place locating here, since he made that statement, i haved talked to two boaz business men that know the person and the location where it will be if boaz goes wet. also a city employee said that person has already talked to city officials about it. i might not agree with john on some thing's, but i do on this. don't you think it's kind of silly to try and keep one little city dry when it is located right in the middle of all the wet location's. this is not the 1950's or 60's. time to move on and change with the time's. boaz don't have to be in the guiness world records for being the only dry city in the united states.

  • Daliann04 posted at 9:33 pm on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Daliann04 Posts: 250


  • Buffalo posted at 5:20 am on Thu, Sep 27, 2012.

    Buffalo Posts: 422

    Maybe we could have a real school if we went wet?

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:34 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    why does people from albertville worry about what happens in boaz so much? they can't even vote on the wet-dry election in boaz. if i lived in albertville i would be sitting at sante fe's bar having a cold beer and let boaz tend to their own business.

  • aggieforever posted at 2:40 pm on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Odis you don't have a clue. Is that your dogs I hear barking

  • John Thompson posted at 7:24 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Aggie, why do you never post anything pertaining to Albertville?
    Choosing a screen name like Aggieforever either means you love Albertville or you're trying hard to hide your identity.
    All your post attach me, Tim Walker, or Ben Shurett, You made an almost braggart remark once by asking me if I had ever been elected to public office, indicating that you may have been.
    I would hope that you would not let your hurt feelings fester to the point you do things in an attempt to hurt us that only wind up hurting you.
    Unlike some of your friends who post here, I would think you were smarter than that.

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:15 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    wonder what ben shurett's view is on boaz going wet?

  • aggieforever posted at 4:32 am on Wed, Sep 26, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    James "Otto"Watkins why did you get fired as a probation officer? Wink wink[sad][wink]

  • aggieforever posted at 8:02 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    Odis and Otto are the reason Boaz will remain dry.. interesting that someone interested in locating a business in Boaz are having to call Odis.

  • Truthurts posted at 8:00 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Truthurts Posts: 169

    Check out the 10th paragraph that has written............SUV's ...errr .... i meant cars for police and employ a lot of people. Here we go with more non sustainable jobs. What needs to be done with the vice tax is paying off some of your not so thrifty spending of recent past.. Easy to burn money when there is plenty of fiat currency being passed around.

  • FirstTimer posted at 6:45 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    FirstTimer Posts: 134

    @aggieforever - you mentioned the "partner in crime" I was speaking of! Even if I wasn't against Boaz going wet for moral reasons, I would be against it simply because this Otto person is for it. If people know him, they will understand what I am talking about!!!!!

    I couldn't follow Mr. Thompson's reasoning on the voting statistics, but I am sure he has done his homework. I just hope enough people will actually come out and vote on that day. It is going to be a huge election for our country and our county.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 6:42 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432


    The prohibition mindset did not work for the country. Thats how the Mafia got their money and power. Smart people realized that and repealed the Amendment because they knew that it would not work. When prohibition was passed the majority let the minority have their way.

    The same goes for Boaz.. If people actually came out and voted in 2010 it would have carried easily. As John pointed out if only 50% of the wet voters show up this time it will pass with a majority.

  • WhyWhy posted at 6:35 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    WhyWhy Posts: 24

    I guess Otto (James Watkins) can get Boaz to vote wet, next he will have a petition going around to legalize the sale of his favorite smoke, Marijuana!!

  • John Thompson posted at 4:51 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Actually Aggie, I think it is spelled Odis if indeed you are referring to the town drunk. If you are speaking of the elevator remember I only go up, unlike you who is always going down.
    One other thing I would like to point out for everyone to remember is that it was the no vote that beat us two years ago. Not the folks who were apposed to us but the folks who decided on that day that no, they were not going to take the time to vote one way or the other.
    If you wonder why 3 out of every 4 people you talk to is in support of going wet and we still lost the last election, it's because the city of Boaz has almost 6000 registered voters and only 2200 of them voted the last time.
    Everyone who is registered to vote but did not vote in the last election allowed 20%
    of the voters dictate how they must live.
    Cullman had about the same amount of people vote to stay dry in 2010 as they did in 2008. The difference was the people realized that if they wanted to eat the bread, they were going to have to help the little red hen in it's preparation.
    If the "no" side has 1200 votes this time and we can get a 50% turn out, the "yes" side will win easily.

  • FirstTimer posted at 4:10 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    FirstTimer Posts: 134

    Nothing wrong with being "stuck in the prohibition mindset." I have a lot of other "mindsets" that I am "stuck" in that I am sure the majortiy of you would not agree with. "Time to get out and check out the real world people." Maybe the "real world" should check us out - maybe we could be the precedent.....

    Nothing wrong with a city having morals.

  • aggieforever posted at 4:06 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    aggieforever Posts: 33

    firsttimer do you not understand!!! John"Otis" Thompson and James "Otto" Watkins are pushing this. How can someone named Otis and Otto be wrong!!!!!!!

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 3:33 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    TerryN exactly. It doesn't have to be a big chain to generate revenue, and hopefully if they do go wet they will get some German beer as well as others.

    Leon I agree a person should be able to drink. Its funny that a person can serve in the military but cant legally buy beer in Boaz. A person can be a doctor or lawyer or anything else and can't legally buy beer in Boaz. All that shows is that for a long time much of the city's population has been stuck in the prohibition mindset.

    Time to get out and check out the real world people.

  • Leon posted at 3:15 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    I do not live in the city limits of any city so, I have no vote but, if I had a vote - I would vote wet. Why ?
    Because I believe in the right and freedom of any person to consume anything they want to. Unlike the mayor of New York with the coke thing or fast food chains having to much fat. Government telling you what is good for you is - BS ! Live and let live is my belief ! Go Gary Johnson !!

  • TerryN posted at 2:25 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    TerryN Posts: 290

    Why does the business have to be a "major chain restaurant"? New business is good business most of the time.

    Why in this thread there are people complaining that they don't have enough major chain businesses and then the same people in another thread are screaming "down with corporate America!"

    I hope this passes and I'll do what I can to help it, but until people around here figure out that good beer is more than a cold Bud Light I'll still drive to Huntsville/Birmingham to purchase.

  • FirstTimer posted at 1:27 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    FirstTimer Posts: 134

    So Maters is what all the fuss is about? And, a locally owned restaurant?? Oh my......thought we were talking major chain restaurants, apparently not. However, you didn't say major chains, I guess I just assumed it. You don't have to buy me a pizza. That wouldn't be my choice restaurant meal any day!

    I agree Boaz is a "Moist" city. Personally, I would rather it stay "moist" than become "saturated."

    You still didn't address the "deception" you are anticipating.............

  • John Thompson posted at 1:06 pm on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    Good day to you First.
    I can say that one of the restaurant's name begins with an M and ends with an s and has an a t e r in the middle and they specialize in pizza.
    If we go wet and this does not happen, I will buy you a pizza of your choice wherever you like.
    The other is the brain child of two local entrepreneurs who will most likely choose to remain anonymous even after the fact.
    Alcohol is not the only draw for a major restaurant chain but with a commitment from our city fathers it will be a small piece of a big puzzle.
    Please read the article above and tell me if you do not agree that Boaz is indeed a "moist" city.

  • FirstTimer posted at 8:36 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    FirstTimer Posts: 134

    Apparently, my opinion is going to be in the minority here since I am against Boaz going wet.

    Mr. Thompson - of course, you can't name the restaurants "you have been contacted by." The proponents of the "wet side" can never reveal the names - funny how the restaurants never materialize either. We have heard forever that Red Lobster and Olive Garden were interested in locating here - when Guntersville was voting to go wet and when Albertville was voting to go wet. Both did, no Red Lobster, no Olive Garden.

    "I don't think there is any reason to be deceptive about the benefits of a yes vote but I do anticipate an attempt of deception from the no side." What kind of deception are you expecting?? I know people on the "wet side" wouldn't dare turn statistics to benefit them - sarcasm!! I don't personnally know you, Mr. Thompson, but I do know one of your partners in crime, so to speak. I would trust him as far as I could throw him - and that wouldn't be very far.......

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:11 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    correction: in last post by beer, i left out the u. buy beer.

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:07 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    I have heard recently that arab and collinsville have gone wet. It's 2012, nearly 2013 time for boaz to go wet to. and i don't believe john b thompson had anything to do with the other cities going wet, must have been someone else not wearing "big boy pants" you reckon. trying to keep boaz dry is selfish Before etowah county went wet. people that live in boaz used to drive to steele or new hope to by beer.and they would drive to ahsville, birmingham or huntsville to the state stores to buy whiskey. with the way the economy is now it would help boaz more than it would hurt. and don't forget all the bootlegger's that used to be around and you could buy on sunday to.

  • tomcryar posted at 12:23 am on Tue, Sep 25, 2012.

    tomcryar Posts: 696

    Come up to the times, and quit trying to fight'll lose.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 8:07 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432


    I would say you need to follow your own advice "pull on your big boy pants, stand up straight and go on" Anyone can bring up a point that the public needs to vote on. That is a right that we have here in the U.S.

    Whether it be voting to take money from the Alabama Trust Fund or whether a City should move on from the prohibition era to moving on with 'progress'. It is up to the voters whether the motion passes and regardless of John Thompson brought this up or it was done by someone else you still have to deal with it.

    In our Democracy majority rules but the only way to find out what the majority wants is to bring it up for a vote.

  • garbob48 posted at 5:20 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    garbob48 Posts: 15

    john thompson you are without a doubt the a childish person! You plan on bring this issue up every time you can, just like many of todays activist. Keep on pushing an issue until you wear the people down and get what you want. Just like a child whom keeps asking for a dog until the parent gives in!!!!! Pull on your big boy pants, stand up straight and go on. If I had to guess you have a financial stake in those resturants or this issue somehow. By the way John, part of Boaz is wet, Mountainboro as well as a couple of joints on 179. The revenues are misleading, if Boaz gets 10% of the revenues from taxes,on $100,000 a month that is $10000 a month only, $120,000 a year. As for Cullman get 2 million in the last two years that means that they sold around 20 million dollars of booze. Alot of drunk folks in Cullman.

    You want the morale high ground and say not advertise about the vote, that just way to slip something by the people. I can hear it now did you vote yes or no? I didn't know it was on the ballot! I smell Tim " I want your Money" Walker all over this. If he had not been re-elected, we would not be having this discussion

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 12:45 pm on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Boaz resident

    You are right. When Albertville went wet the City Council at that time was not happy so they did everything they could to make it hard for anyone to profit from selling alcohol. Still the city received over $250,000 in tax revenues for the sale of alcohol last year.

    As for a big name restaurant coming to Albertville, with the current laws and the way the city is laid out it makes zero sense.

    Also, I agree in that Boaz isn't going to somehow turn into Sodom or Gomorrah just because alcohol might be sold there. Those people, thinking that, really should get out a little more and see the real world

  • boaz resident posted at 11:10 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    correction -- To say "no", not To say "know"

  • boaz resident posted at 11:07 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    boaz resident Posts: 53

    The regulations and rules that will be adopted when Boaz goes wet will be the key -- in albertville, they adopted a very, very old law, and from experience I can tell you that so much more revenue can be had there if they would just adjust slightly -- no alcohol sales allowed in any establishment after midnight -- well, seeing as how, especially on a friday or saturday night, ALL bars and stores that sell alcohol do most of their business between 11pm and 2am, of course everyone is either going to travel to Sardis or Guntersville. No one knows what it will really do, positively, for the city of Boaz, but if you don't ever try it, you'll NEVER know. The city as it stands right now needs anything it can get in this city to help bring in the people and the money. Fact -- due to the economy's downfall and fluctuation ever since 08, more people drink. Alot will deny it, and claim they don't, well, that's not true. The one thing all over the country that has not declined, but in some areas actually improved, is alcohol sales. Sure, you may encounter a lot of issues and problems with it, but people picturing the city turning into some extreme crime area, or a wasteland like out of a movie, by simply going wet, really should get out of the house more. The city already has crime, just as all cities do. Someone that actually goes out to more than the Waffle House for coffee, will see how much is needed around here, if they just walk around with different eyes for once. To say know to any chance of improvement, is guaranteeing that no improvement will come. The state itself needs to lax their rules a bit, too, seeing as how the ABC store closes at what, 6pm? or 7 on the weekends? but that is another issue not really related. If you don't drink and don't condone it, then don't drink and don't condone it. Just know that everyone is not the same, and everyone that does drink, isn't a criminal or an alcoholic that will become one. We have the room in the city, and the chance at actually bringing in establishments that might just improve the place, take up some very empty buildings that naturally aren't making any money now, and maybe- just maybe- put Boaz back on the map, something that hasn't been there since the downfall of the outlets. Keep in mind that big name people like to have a cocktail sometimes, too, such as a company owner that is interested in starting up or bringing their company to the area. Why would he or she bother, if there is nothing what-so-ever to offer them to begin with? Bring in a good restaurant that serves alcohol, that will hire staff accordingly, there's job created. That company owner comes in, meets with people at the same place for a cocktail to discuss options, because they could do that at the restaurant, the company moves in, and guess what? creates more jobs. it's not just about the tax revenue for the city or the kids or whatever, but it's about taking a chance, stepping out of the dark ages, and maybe saving what used to be a city that was the place to go back in the day -- now it's becoming every other place rather than this one.

  • John Thompson posted at 10:12 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    I'm not at liberty to speak for either establishment but I have been contacted to determine the chances of this effort being a success.
    One group is in the process of making an existing building ready to suit the needs of their restaurant and the other is an existing building that once housed a nice restaurant.
    I don't think there is any reason to be deceptive about the benefits of a yes vote but I do anticipate an attempt of deception from the no side.

  • Albertville Resident posted at 9:09 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    Albertville Resident Posts: 51

    Please enlighten us, John. If the restaurants are ready to announce, I'm sure it's not a big deal to release their names. Or, is this just another ruse to get votes, as Albertville did??

  • John Thompson posted at 7:25 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    John Thompson Posts: 405

    I do know for a fact that two restaurants will announce November 7th if it passes on Nov 6th and that is two more than we have now.
    The tax revenue with all things considered could reach many hundreds of thousand of dollars each year, maybe even as high as one million.

    Don't take my word for this. Research similar cities in similar situations. Not sardis City or Birmingham, but apples to apples.

  • OldSchooL posted at 2:01 am on Mon, Sep 24, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    maybe not, but at least the people that do drink can do so without having to leave the city that they live in.

  • WhyWhy posted at 4:13 pm on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    WhyWhy Posts: 24

    I would like to know what type of regulations the city is going to put on the sales if it passes. I think that the city should go ahead and let the citizens know. I firmly believe if it passes that you should have very few regulations. I also believe that if it passes your not going to see any big restaurantes locate here like most people think. They have not located in Albertville or Guntersville.

  • HogWash posted at 11:27 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    HogWash Posts: 154

    Got my Vote

  • Leon posted at 9:38 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    The ATF transfer I meant as a state issue to be over turned, not that it was placed on the ballot by petition, like the home rule law repeal for the county and now the Boaz wet/dry issue. Just so no misunderstanding is taken.

  • Leon posted at 9:30 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Leon Posts: 561

    There is much misconception here about petitions. This is the way it works. If you want to be a candidate in the Two major parties, Democratic or Republican, you have no petitioning to do. If you are to run in a thrid party, you have to get petitions signed. Just as Judge Hawk had to. Now, if one want to place an issue on the ballot, they must have petitions signed, as the home rule law, the ATF transfer, the Boaz wet/dry vote.

    The petitions must have the wording of what the petitions is for, A place where the signer places their signature first, then the name printed, street address, city and state, some states require petitions have a place for the date it was signed.

    Then it goes to whoever approves for it to be placed on the ballot. It depends if the voters in the city, county or state concern them. If it concerns a US or state office it goes to the state Secretary of State, if it concerns the county, it goes to the judge that over sees elections. For cities it goes to the city council.

    Now to the question of checking the signatuires, no - they are not experts, they check the printed names and address, to see if they are current voters. Yes, any one can sign your name onto a petition. Some times they will check each name, some times they are busy or lazy and do not check them. More especially if they have thousands of signatures.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 9:14 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Old School, you are right maybe that's why so many of those god fearing church goers
    are so grumpy when they get out of church on Sunday, lol. The fact is alcohol is legal and if the fed or state is not stopping the purchase then a city should not either. The only way any big named restaurant will go to Boaz is if they go wet.

    The city already lost Ryans, I would think they would need something to take its place, with better food and atmosphere.

  • OldSchooL posted at 7:28 am on Sun, Sep 23, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    yeah mike, i have thought about that myself ,the elderly vote is keeping it from passing. If it don't pass this time it probably will next time around. I really don't see how it could do any harm at all. you already have people living in boaz that do drink..And they either drive into etowah co. or albertville to buy what they want to drink. Also they will go to places like sant fe in albertville, applebees in guntersville or red lobster in gasden to eat and have a drink with their meal It would be nice to just drive a short distance instead of having to leave town. I have'nt been to church in years, but i see people all the time that do go to church every sunday buying alcoholic beverages all the time. And i am talking about boaz people.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 5:29 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    I think the only reason it didn't pass before is because the elderly population of Boaz voted against it. I hate to say it but the more of the elderly that die off the better chance that bills like this will pass.

    I never said that alcohol sales will fix all of a city's problems but to say that the tax dollars doesn't help is ridiculous. The fact is the City Councils need a viable plan on how to bring hi-tech industry to the county so that a person could actually have money in his or her pocket to be able to go out and eat and or drink at a restaurant if they want to

  • mom9700 posted at 5:11 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    mom9700 Posts: 5

    cbsboaz-I am not sure what you are referring to when you speak of verifying the signatures to "put a political candidates name on a ballot for political office". My husband ran for and was elected for a local political office. To be placed on the ballot he had to fill out an application and sign that application in the presence of a notary public.

    "No offense, but you didn't really think that logic through before you typed it"

  • Tidegrad03 posted at 4:34 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Tidegrad03 Posts: 103

    One can debate the pros and cons of the issue from now on and never really settle the debate. It is simply a matter of of personal preference and religious beliefs do enter the equation. What I do think is pretty silly is that a referendum was held on this issue only two years ago and now it has been brought back up. If the city votes wet this time, can the "dry" folks then turn right around and circulate a petition to go dry again?

  • Albertville Resident posted at 4:20 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Albertville Resident Posts: 51

    @OldSchool - at least you have the honesty to say why you want Boaz to go wet. I admire you for that. Too many people hide behind the"help the children" stance. Hopefully, if Boaz goes wet, the mayor and council will handle the money better than Albertville has.

    I know this will stir several people up and I am opening myself up to be name called and such, but I could not support the wet vote. I didn't in Albertville and I have family that won't in Boaz. Mike said "trying to govern morality won't work." Maybe if the actual christians in Boaz took a stand morality could take over the government. That would make the city a better place. And please, don't give me the c r a p about the christians will be voting it in wet and Jesus drinking wine. Some may be. But, I am responsible for my own actions. My personal belief is that we should abstain from the purschase, selling and consumption of alcohol. I wouldn't comprise my belief system for the tax revenue.

  • cbsboaz posted at 4:19 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Mom9700, tell me do you actually think they verify the signatures that are required to put a political candidates name on a ballot for political office??????

    If not, do you honestly expect them to do it when it comes to things like this???

    No offense, but you didn't really think that logic through before you typed it.

  • OldSchooL posted at 1:59 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    correction: "just have to wait and see"

  • OldSchooL posted at 1:56 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    the petition gets the wet - dry issue on the ballot for the citizens of boaz to vote on, that is when it is decided if the city stays dry or goes wet. people have the choice to vote no if they want boaz to stay dry. i'll be voting wet myself, because i want to be able to buy my wine, whiskey. beer, and drink when i go to a resturant, etc. close to home and we'll juat have to wait and see if it helps the city or not, remember this is boaz and not albertville, we have a different mayor and council . if the citizens of boaz decide we want our city to go wet, well i guess we have as much right to go wet as albertville or guntersville.

  • Albertville Resident posted at 12:01 pm on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Albertville Resident Posts: 51

    I agree with mom9700 - there is no way to verify if the actual person signed the petition or not. And, I'm sure no one really cares, except those against the referendum. What I don't understand is this: The people wanting the city to go wet can bring up a petition as many times as they want to get it on the ballot. Once the city goes wet, it can't be brought up to get it off the ballot. Doesn't make sense to me.

    Mike, it doesn't matter how much money is coming in to the city if the city leaders do not use it correctly. No amount of money can fix that. How do the voters know that Boaz will handle this any better than Albertville? I just get so tired of hearing that "going wet" will solve the problems of the cities. It does not. I just wish the people would be honest enough to say, "I want to be able to buy alcohol close to home, drink when I go to a restaurant, etc." Don't act like they want it to "help" the city and make things better "for the children."

    To quote Rick and Bubba - "Smoke a cigarette and drink a beer - help Alabama's children!!"

  • mom9700 posted at 11:10 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    mom9700 Posts: 5

    I am not a handwriting expert. I am just not stupid. I am not talking about voting either. I know that you can place your vote thousand of miles away. I am talking about a signature on the petition that was forged. The person whose name was forged is a registered voter, but my issue is how can they verify any of the signatures. For all I know someone could have forged my name. My name would have checked out as a t registered voter in the city of Boaz but I would not have signed petition.

  • cbsboaz posted at 10:09 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Albertville Resident, you probably won't see much progress made in Albertville when it comes to alcohol sales until your city council is willing to give tax incentives to businesses just to get them to step up shop in the first place.

    It's much like a trojan horse strategy. Offer them something nice to start off with then tax them after a certain time period.

    Give them an environment and circumstances to make them want to get established.

  • Mike Lockwood posted at 10:07 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Mike Lockwood Posts: 432

    Albertville Resident: You cant see the difference but I assure you that the Albertville City Budget would feel the difference if the money wasn't coming in. Last year there was over $250,000 in tax revenue from alcohol used by the city. Even though Albertville has a pretty limited alcohol sales base.

    No a lot of restaurants have not opened up here but then last time I checked most businesses including restaurants are feeling the pinch of a bad economy. More people on food stamps or in poverty means less people going to these restaurants. Even the biggest owners are having to revamp their menus.

    I'm not from Boaz but I remember how crazy it made all the churches in Albertville when they voted to go wet and like Albertville, I'm sure the preachers in Boaz will attempt to sway voters to vote no. However trying to govern morality does not work because if someone wants something they are going to get it.

    Prohibition didn't work for the United States and it definitely doesn't work for dry cities like Boaz.

    Mom9700: Are you a handwriting expert? Not baggin on you just asking? Also as Old School stated any legal citizen has the right to vote. Even if that person is on the other side of the world. Why do you think in the general election that is coming up that voters have the right to mail in their votes.

    However if you look again you will see that they discounted several votes due to the person not being registered.

    The truth is Marshall County needs more industry. High tech would be preferable. This
    would give the residents here the wages to be able to go out and support the retail businesses by shopping and or eating at the establishments and might bring in more of the bigger chain restaurants like Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Outback Steakhouse etc.

  • Albertville Resident posted at 9:30 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    Albertville Resident Posts: 51

    I live and work in Albertville but have strong ties to Boaz - my children attend school in Boaz, my church is in Boaz and most of my family live in Boaz.

    I drive to work on roads that need paved. Some so bad that you have to "crawl" across the potholes. Where can we eat out in Albertville? Well, Santa Fe is nice, but that's about it. Since Albertville went wet, my roads haven't been paved, restaurants have not flooded the area and the arrest rate has not declined. Hwy. 431 through Albertville is not appealing to people that live here - much less the ones looking to bring in industry and restaurants.

    Has going wet helped Albertville? Not that I can see.

  • OldSchooL posted at 6:41 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    well, i just keep mis-spelling word's

  • OldSchooL posted at 6:38 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

    OldSchooL Posts: 371

    made a error in last post. shpuld have been "any type work"

  • OldSchooL posted at 5:59 am on Sat, Sep 22, 2012.

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    if you have a residence in boaz and are registered to vote you are legal to sign the petition, it don't matter if you have to leave town because of ant type of work, of course i could be wrong and i am definetly not a handwriting expert.

  • mom9700 posted at 11:13 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

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    I have never known of John Thompson laying low about anything. Two weeks ago I saw one of the petitions at a local restaurant and glanced at the signatures. It is funny how someone can sign the petition when they are (and have been for 3 months) over 600 miles away. The signature was in the same handwriting as the rest of his family and this person is in the military, so there is documentation to his whereabouts. Yes, I suppose he could have signed it before he left, but I doubt it. I wonder how many of the other signatures are fraudulent? I would like to say that I am surprised, but I am not.

  • cbsboaz posted at 11:01 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    The outlets could certainly use some restaurants in it. This would give opportunity for that.

  • LoudOpinion posted at 10:06 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

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    Every preacher in the city will be preaching against the vote, and the people for the vote aren't going to campaign?!?! The voters should know more about what this money could do for the city!!! Just think of the roads that could be fixed, the resturants that could move in, and (for all the safety aware) the policemen/firemen and equipment it would pay for. PLUS the police would ultimately set up more road blocks, which means more fines, impounds, and misdemeanor/felony arrests.....all together it is more "bad guys" off the streets!!!! Which is more money to this city and our jails and courts in this city!!! Also the state just passed lesgilation that forces DUI offenders to have a breathalzyer installed in their car that would not allow the car to turn on if they are drunk. We sell cigarettes and not everybody in this town smokes, so if you don't drink don't buy it, this is what is called a "involuntary tax" in which only the people who what to drink will pay it but THE WHOLE TOWN will benefit from it!!!! In these times it boils down to money and we are missing out!!!!! Instead of Albertville, Sardis, and Guntersville getting the money/benefit from Boaz citizens buying alcohol in that town Boaz would! Come on people it is time for us to get what is ours and that money should come to OUR city!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So please vote YES for OUR city....lets "KEEP BOAZ FIRST" isn't that the point?

  • tomcryar posted at 10:04 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

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    I don't think the "wet/dry" issue is really an issue.....People have been going to Etowah for alot of years, and if the sales bring in money, well?

  • cbsboaz posted at 8:10 pm on Fri, Sep 21, 2012.

    cbsboaz Posts: 525

    Maybe now the religious right can now possibly buy some wine in their own community and have a drink like Jesus did. What a wonderful day lol. [beam]